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Post by Ifrit on Sept 26, 2019 7:40:59 GMT
Even if its lost let's share the culture of the Warrior here
This is a religion free and religion bashing free zone.. We are only here to share the expedience these spirituality have left on our culture and persons
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Sept 26, 2019 8:47:37 GMT
The origin of the word "Bavarian" is the old germanic term: "Baia Varii". That means: "armed dwellers of the area called Baia". The "Varii" is also the origin of the term: "Warrior". (Baia is the region between the Alpes and the Danube) So "Bavarian" means "Warrior of Bavaria"! Cool, isn't it! That explains my lust for swords. Here a picture of one of the living history guys here in Bavaria costumed as a Bajuwarian warrior of the 6th century AD.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 15:05:08 GMT
The origin of the word "Bavarian" is the old germanic term: "Baia Varii". That means: "armed dwellers of the area called Baia". The "Varii" is also the origin of the term: "Warrior". (Baia is the region between the Alpes and the Danube) So "Bavarian" means "Warrior of Bavaria"! Cool, isn't it! That explains my lust for swords. Here a picture of one of the living history guys here in Bavaria costumed as a Bajuwarian warrior of the 6th century AD. Is this not then quite like the Turnverein? Although based on gymnastics, also retaining the cultural aspects and a militia? Thoughts on this appreciated because of the continuation in the immigrants to the U.S. Turners were bodyguards for Abraham Lincoln's inauguration, as well for his funeral. Then during Lincoln's terms, General Nathaniel Lyon and his "Die Schwarze Garde" www.exulanten.com/blankfour.html The above just a continuation in Missouri with Lyon mortally wounded at Wilson's Creek bringing Franz Sigel to be the commanding federal officer for Missouri. Sigel, from Baden, a Turnverein Sigel had raised many Germans by this time. I'm not digging too deep in my notes here but after the Camp Jackson affair, a citizen's account of Lyon parading back to St Louis with his own recruited (by Sigel) Die Schwarze Garde of great stature with huge swords. I'm rambling a bit through this but it was preceding and following the American Civil War that my heritage includes the Beck family (gggrandma Nancy Jane Beck). Her brothers and father Confederate cavalry, go figure. It was not just first cousins fighting each others but the above and my ancestors showing German against German. Warring Germanic states during the ACW as it were. Another warrior spirit my gggrandfather Alfred, leaving the state to go teach in Oregon and leaving brothers and cousins fighting for the north and first cousins and inlaws fighting for "states rights". So, warrior spirit. Hmmmm yup that's a very human trait. Yes, I was brought up and grew up with it quite early in my years. Let's now glorify that? Retrospectively (and respectively), we train and harbor an ingrained warrior spirit in the hope we never need to shed another's blood (unless we "need" to). There is really no disassociating religion and the warrior spirit. There are many abstract interpretations of the metaphor offered in Gideon and his 300 warriors but even those eager, may not be those selected. There is a cultural truth as well. As true now as thousands of years ago. Cheers GC PS Lewis&Clark opens the door to federal removal of Native Americans in many of the territories and states.
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Post by Curtis_Louis on Sept 26, 2019 15:09:16 GMT
The origin of the word "Bavarian" is the old germanic term: "Baia Varii". That means: "armed dwellers of the area called Baia". The "Varii" is also the origin of the term: "Warrior". (Baia is the region between the Alpes and the Danube) So "Bavarian" means "Warrior of Bavaria"! Cool, isn't it! That explains my lust for swords. Here a picture of one of the living history guys here in Bavaria costumed as a Bajuwarian warrior of the 6th century AD. Talk about learning something new every day! I lived there for five years and had never heard the origin of the word. Easily, one of the most beautiful places on Earth. It is easy to imagine Bajuwarian warriors throughout the area. They match the landscape with ruggedness.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Sept 26, 2019 15:29:10 GMT
The spirit is still alive:
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Post by Cosmoline on Sept 26, 2019 19:07:49 GMT
What is a "warrior," though? In my mind it suggests someone who is a professional soldier, and that's a class of people that requires a lot of support from others. Knights would qualify, and they required considerable support from the people who grew food and made equipment. I'm not sure that barbarian cultures really produced "warriors" in that sense, at least not until they had enough civilized infrastructure to support such people. Alternately, I suppose, warriors could simply take the support they needed from conquered civilized people. Like vikings or Mongolian riders.
Personally I prefer the idea of defense through militia for a lot of reasons. Relying on an elite to defend the whole is dicey, and certainly worried our founders in the US.
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Post by Ifrit on Sept 27, 2019 4:53:20 GMT
After a long thought I realized my wording was off. I suppose instead of warrior I should have worded it as a person who practices combat. I do not participate in war and do not glorify it. But combat is another thing
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Post by Ifrit on Sept 27, 2019 5:03:03 GMT
I suppose I been embracing what it is that makes us men. I been burning away my idea of pacifism. Us men have always been at war with the world as hunters then as soldiers. I been feeling empowered this way
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2019 5:30:51 GMT
New account dudes. It's me ifrit/djinnobi/no one
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Post by Cosmoline on Sept 27, 2019 17:30:47 GMT
I don't see any problem with the notion that men should know how to protect themselves and their own. Of course, the concept of war is a lot trickier. In the broad sense, sure. "Battle" to bring down a moose or bear as a team--absolutely. "War" to scare off other groups that want the food--yes. But this drive has undeniably been twisted throughout the history of civilization to serve the desires of very small groups of people at the top. And the resulting carnage is not something to celebrate in any sense. One example of the distortion is the worship of the soldier, and the idea that only combat makes a man a man. Again, in a broad sense yes we need some kind of physical struggle in our lives or we turn that energy inward. Most men do anyway. But it's not supposed to be a blind and even suicidal drive to sacrifice everything for the vanity of some leader's land grab. Historically, men have not always been very good at realizing when they're being manipulated in this way.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2019 18:04:15 GMT
New account dudes. It's me ifrit/djinnobi/no one Dude...you change identities alot. We are going to need to start checking your social security number soon to verify its you...jk Yea i like to be elusive But I enjoyed the book of the 5 rings. You reminded me I gotta give it a read again sometime soon. And do you have a pdf of that book? The autobiography
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2019 18:05:52 GMT
I don't see any problem with the notion that men should know how to protect themselves and their own. Of course, the concept of war is a lot trickier. In the broad sense, sure. "Battle" to bring down a moose or bear as a team--absolutely. "War" to scare off other groups that want the food--yes. But this drive has undeniably been twisted throughout the history of civilization to serve the desires of very small groups of people at the top. And the resulting carnage is not something to celebrate in any sense. One example of the distortion is the worship of the soldier, and the idea that only combat makes a man a man. Again, in a broad sense yes we need some kind of physical struggle in our lives or we turn that energy inward. Most men do anyway. But it's not supposed to be a blind and even suicidal drive to sacrifice everything for the vanity of some leader's land grab. Historically, men have not always been very good at realizing when they're being manipulated in this way. I agree with this sentiment entirely. It's how I see it too. War itself could be beneficial if there is a real enemy wanting to oppress the ones it defeats. But these days, it's all just about financial gain of those who never touched a gun in their life.
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Post by wlewisiii on Sept 27, 2019 19:14:29 GMT
There is a significant difference between a soldier and a warrior.
A soldier is a combatant who is a professional. You chose to become a soldier. You chose to accept the training and the discipline inherent in taking the King's Shilling or the President's Dollar. The term can be as long or short as is sworn for.
The warrior is born into it, like or not. In a feudal system he swears an oath of fealty that lasts until one or the other is dead or forsworn.
A warrior lives only for the battle and only for his tribe. A soldier also lives for other forms of service to his land and all the varied peoples of that land. The soldier is a product of first empire and then the western democracy: the empire is a conglomeration of small kingdoms (tribes) that historically fought against one another until brought under a single rule. The modern nation state follows on from that. The soldier, unlike the warrior, is obliged to members of all the tribes within that larger state.
Also militias have historically been an absolute failure due to the lack of training and discipline in their model. There were two "victories" by the militia in American history - the Whiskey rebellion where they showed up under General/President Washington and intimidated those refusing to pay the tax on the whiskey and in the Black Hawk War where a tribe that had no interest in fighting was chased across a couple of states by militia members out to show how "tough" they were. Other uses of the militia (American Revolution, 1812, American Civil War) were outright failures of the militia that cost the United States dearly, almost tp losing the wars. The current Guard/reserve system only works as well as it does by requiring much more training, the same discipline as all other soldiers, and having the guard units tied into regular Army units.
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Post by MOK on Sept 27, 2019 20:23:06 GMT
Ever read the "Book of 5 Rings"? Probably the best clear answer I can give is to read it , live it and cut lots of poo up in your back yard. After the "Book of 5 Rings" read McBane's auto biography. I am not really a fan of JMA but Musashi lived the life and explains it pretty well. He puts it quite succinctly in the introductory Book of Earth. As translated by Victor Harris:
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2019 23:41:22 GMT
He puts it quite succinctly in the introductory Book of Earth. As translated by Victor Harris: Donald McBane wasnt quite as cryptic or mystical as Musashi but he still had some great advice: "To avoid those Desperate Combats, my Advice is for all Gentlemen to take a hearty Cup, and to Drink Friends to avoid trouble" When I was younger I had a hard time understand musashi. As I age I understand him a little bit more everytime
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Post by Ifrit on Sept 27, 2019 23:42:05 GMT
Donald McBane wasnt quite as cryptic or mystical as Musashi but he still had some great advice: "To avoid those Desperate Combats, my Advice is for all Gentlemen to take a hearty Cup, and to Drink Friends to avoid trouble" When I was younger I had a hard time understand musashi. As I age I understand him a little bit more everytime Yea totally, you are such a cool buff deadly dude for saying so. Damn where do you get it
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2019 23:43:40 GMT
When I was younger I had a hard time understand musashi. As I age I understand him a little bit more everytime Yea totally, you are such a cool buff deadly dude for saying so. Damn where do you get it Yea same with you. Two peas in a pod ... Okay ill stop being a bored dude 😂
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 0:12:16 GMT
When I was younger I had a hard time understand musashi. As I age I understand him a little bit more everytime I never finished reading the book of 5 rings, tbh. I got about a quarter way threw his material and quit. Been meaning to pick it up again though. For me it wasnt a matter of understanding it as much as I dislike alot of Asian literature especially anything heavy with philosophy. There tends to be alot of speaking in circles and talking around stuff over and over before getting to the point, imo. Yea it can be mind numbing. The way of speaking is hard to follow a lot. It's like... When you are finally able to understand one sentence you immediately forget the last and it makes it superb hard to piece them together for a whole message
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 0:12:45 GMT
Yea totally, you are such a cool buff deadly dude for saying so. Damn where do you get it I thought yaldabaoth was your other account, Ifrit? I cant keep up, its like "One flew over the coo coo nest" around here It is me yes haha. I didn't know how to switch the email for my last account so I made a new one 😂
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 0:26:21 GMT
Yea it can be mind numbing. The way of speaking is hard to follow a lot. It's like... When you are finally able to understand one sentence you immediately forget the last and it makes it superb hard to piece them together for a whole message Just a bit at first. I just dont care for the writing style but the content is great. I had about 2-3 pages of notes off just the first bit of the book even if it is a chore to read. I like to think of it as the martial arts of reading. Tough to do, difficult to continue, but rewarding to finish
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