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Post by bkscivilwar on Sept 18, 2019 18:04:18 GMT
There were two swords recently given to me, i was wondering if someone here might be able to help me identify what they are. The first sword I believe to be from the 1820's - 1840's Era. I cannot find any distinguishing marks on the blade whatsoever. Here is a link to the pictures. www.dropbox.com/sh/wjli21w22dcx75m/AABRbVWJgMBfOLKOV5LdRxkAa?dl=0The second sword is some type of short sword. The Hilt looks very much like an Ecole de Mars sword, however the tip of the blade is rounded. The Scabbard is leather with a somewhat flat or rounded chape. The blade does have markings on both sides, on one side is a plain stamp GERMAN and the opposite side had what appears to be the Knights Head mark from Sollingen. I tried to take detailed pictures the best I could. I can take more if need be. The pictures are here. www.dropbox.com/sh/l9x3pula2gw6rxd/AAAEIYnYu3kipMWmWw8xrFpha?dl=0All help is appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 4:20:44 GMT
Missed this earlier in the day. Welcome aboard. The eaglehead pommel sword is actually post American Civil War and seen in late 19th century Ames catalogs as a military association sword. Ie; a veterans or other fraternal group. While the stylings is roughly of the swords emulating Widmann of Philadelphia and of the 1840s, these diminutive birds with alloy pommels and other lightweight fittings are often confused with earlier swords and the guards do date back to the 1820s but in truth, these were still manufactured in the 20th century. The other sword was marked to Kirschbaum and is quite possibly post WWI. There is an old thread that is not all inclusive but you get the idea. www.swordforum.com/vb4/showthread.php?109138-The-Post-American-Civil-War-(ACW)-Short-SwordWhen Kirschbaum and Weyersberg merged and became WKC, there was a period when both the knight and crowned king marks appeared together. Since we know the mark German on imports appeared in the US in 1891, that post dates the merger of the two companies and as mentioned, they first appeared stamped together. We do sometimes see this sword type marked with a walking bear, known to be used by some of the Weyersburg family, so it is possibly as early as the 1890s as well but my bet would be after WKC went soley with the knight. So, old but not as old as we might think. Here is my Patriotic Sons of America dirk from that turn of the century period Another trait showing your eagle as late was the scabbard embellishment cast directly on the scabbard forms, rather than metal raised or chased to create the decorations. I would also add that the eagle sword and scabbard may have been a marriage at some point, because the scabbard looks of a higher quality but one could order options when new. I would judge that by how well they fit each other and general wear. Cheers GC
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 4:39:33 GMT
Yes, a marriage on the eagle sword and scabbard. The scabbard shows the three links on the altar of the Independent Order of Odd Fellows. That is unmistakable and they were not known to use these military association eaglehead pommel swords. Cheers GC
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