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Sept 17, 2019 16:24:20 GMT
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Post by Ifrit on Sept 17, 2019 16:24:20 GMT
Looks like I found two places in town, one that teaches HEMA and one that teaches Kali. I never knew about these places before today. This Saturday I'm going to go try out the Kali place. They do sparring too, from what I was told
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Sept 17, 2019 17:33:48 GMT
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Post by Ifrit on Sept 17, 2019 17:33:48 GMT
Looks like I found two places in town, one that teaches HEMA and one that teaches Kali. I never knew about these places before today. This Saturday I'm going to go try out the Kali place. They do sparring too, from what I was told Ive trained a bit in Escrima, it has alot of stick fighting. The blade work feels very stick-ish too and its very machete-like. The hand to hand wasnt exactly what i wanted but trapping strikes is a neat skill to have. The school i trained at sparred hard but not every class especially if youre new. I was under the impression that most schools emphasized sparring I moght be wrong on that though. Its a neat art that will also provide some self defense skills, imo. What is the HEMA school teaching? "HEMA is a very broad term, tbh The hema school has Scottish broadsword and Shield, long sword and saber I think I'm not sure about the FMA one yet. This Saturday I'll have even more information 😎 Truth be told I have little information. On the hema one too because they have no contact information aside from Facebook
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Sept 18, 2019 1:31:24 GMT
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Post by Jordan Williams on Sept 18, 2019 1:31:24 GMT
Ive trained a bit in Escrima, it has alot of stick fighting. The blade work feels very stick-ish too and its very machete-like. The hand to hand wasnt exactly what i wanted but trapping strikes is a neat skill to have. The school i trained at sparred hard but not every class especially if youre new. I was under the impression that most schools emphasized sparring I moght be wrong on that though. Its a neat art that will also provide some self defense skills, imo. What is the HEMA school teaching? "HEMA is a very broad term, tbh The hema school has Scottish broadsword and Shield, long sword and saber I think I'm not sure about the FMA one yet. This Saturday I'll have even more information 😎 Truth be told I have little information. On the hema one too because they have no contact information aside from Facebook Swear to GAWT you don't do sabre and broadsword I will come to Canada, legally adopt you, by gun point if I have to, and enroll you in it myself young man. Seriously though, it's great fun. A lot less formal than some martial arts clubs so a lot more cross training potential. My first bout with a sabre was against a longsword.
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Sept 18, 2019 2:02:58 GMT
Post by Timo Nieminen on Sept 18, 2019 2:02:58 GMT
This Saturday I'm going to go try out the Kali place. They do sparring too, from what I was told Esrima/Arnis/Kali varies a lot. Some schools are very sparring-oriented, others spend much more time on flow drills. Weapons vs unarmed varies. One thing to look for is whether they are using sticks as sticks or sticks as sword-simulators. Basically, if everything is percussive with no attention to blade alignment, the sticks are just sticks. With slicing draw cuts and blade alignment, the sticks are swords.
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Sept 18, 2019 2:20:07 GMT
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Post by Ifrit on Sept 18, 2019 2:20:07 GMT
John and Timo: they do have wooden knives for knife practice, but I figured I could supplement my own practice with edge alignment on my own time if they don't do so with the sticks. I could just wear cut proof sleeves and practice with my machetes
Jordan: I got a amazing Chuckle from that one 😂 I would be fine with that tbh.
My only issue with the Facebook group is I have no idea how to contact them, aside from making my own Facebook account, which I don't wanna do, and I don't know where they practice. If they practice far from my place, it might be less ideal for me.
Luckily, I could use my home made targe likely, and invest in a synthetic. I dunno how easily I would be able to afford it though. Escrima just seems a lot more affordable. Despite that its 70$ monthly for two classes a week
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Sept 18, 2019 3:25:46 GMT
Post by pgandy on Sept 18, 2019 3:25:46 GMT
No experience here with HEMA and not with escrima sticks to any great extent. My instructor at the time was mildly interested in Philippine MA though and I studied stick fighting using a cane mostly and must say turned out to be far more practical in the streets than HEMA would ever be and to some extent escrima fighting as it is not that unusual to see someone with a cane, justifying the carry. Walking around with a escrima stick or two...? And I’ve put it to use more than once. I love canes. I had a lot of fun in the class. The instructor would alternate from time to time between a bo giving him the reach advantage or a stick and me with my cane. I learned to easily take the stick away. There are traps that lead to take-aways or trap the opponents thumb and break it, but I learned how to just rip the sucker out of his hand. And I loved doing just that. I’ll take stick fighting classes any day over HEMA as much as I think that I’d like HEMA. Much of what I learned in stick fighting can be carried over to swords. In I’ve got video out with me sparring my neighbour using a sword and taking it away with my dagger using the same technique as I did with my cane.
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Sept 18, 2019 4:01:31 GMT
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Post by Ifrit on Sept 18, 2019 4:01:31 GMT
No experience here with HEMA and not with escrima sticks to any great extent. My instructor at the time was mildly interested in Philippine MA though and I studied stick fighting using a cane mostly and must say turned out to be far more practical in the streets than HEMA would ever be and to some extent escrima fighting as it is not that unusual to see someone with a cane, justifying the carry. Walking around with a escrima stick or two...? And I’ve put it to use more than once. I love canes. I had a lot of fun in the class. The instructor would alternate from time to time between a bo giving him the reach advantage or a stick and me with my cane. I learned to easily take the stick away. There are traps that lead to take-aways or trap the opponents thumb and break it, but I learned how to just rip the sucker out of his hand. And I loved doing just that. I’ll take stick fighting classes any day over HEMA as much as I think that I’d like HEMA. Much of what I learned in stick fighting can be carried over to swords. In I’ve got video out with me sparring my neighbour using a sword and taking it away with my dagger using the same technique as I did with my cane. Yea that's kind of the appeal of FMA for me to be honest. I feel like it would be a bit more useful for every day life. Hema I love as a sport and would love to join it, even while I was doing FMA. But I feel like location and it's day to day life applicability makes it a great choice to pair with regular weight lifting. Ill still do HEMA if I can though. Would be nice to have as much practice days with weapons as I can fit into my life. I've become extremely bored lately
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Sept 18, 2019 16:30:15 GMT
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Post by Ifrit on Sept 18, 2019 16:30:15 GMT
Yea that's kind of the appeal of FMA for me to be honest. I feel like it would be a bit more useful for every day life. Hema I love as a sport and would love to join it, even while I was doing FMA. But I feel like location and it's day to day life applicability makes it a great choice to pair with regular weight lifting. Ill still do HEMA if I can though. Would be nice to have as much practice days with weapons as I can fit into my life. I've become extremely bored lately You should see who the instructors are or who their instructors were/are maybe someone here has heard of them. In this day and age theres 3 or 4 mcdojos or crappy instructors to every 1 good school. Ive ran into 3 bad mcdojos myself. Yea that's one thing I'm gonna be on the lookout for. I hate the guys who do all these fancy moves as the "enemy" just stands there and let's it happen. For me that's a huge deal breaker. A competant teacher should know how to show these moves while a guy is attacking in the same timing, as that's the whole idea behind them But they do have sparring. So if I can see these moves be acted on in sparring, successfully, then I might change my mind
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Sept 18, 2019 21:42:08 GMT
Post by Timo Nieminen on Sept 18, 2019 21:42:08 GMT
A competant teacher should know how to show these moves while a guy is attacking in the same timing, as that's the whole idea behind them They should. But they also need to show how to do it at that slow speed, with a target-dummy attacker, so that the student can see what is done. But they do have sparring. So if I can see these moves be acted on in sparring, successfully, then I might change my mind That's a whole step harder than doing in a full-speed scripted drill. IMO, sparring is where one finds out that these things don't work all the time (unlike scripted drills, where if the technique is OK, it can be made to work all of the time). Working sometimes in sparring is good enough. The same applies to simple unarmed techniques, like a jab. Doesn't work all the time in sparring. "Sometimes" is good enough. (Do you know what the Kali people call their style/school?)
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Sept 18, 2019 22:26:55 GMT
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Post by Ifrit on Sept 18, 2019 22:26:55 GMT
A competant teacher should know how to show these moves while a guy is attacking in the same timing, as that's the whole idea behind them They should. But they also need to show how to do it at that slow speed, with a target-dummy attacker, so that the student can see what is done. But they do have sparring. So if I can see these moves be acted on in sparring, successfully, then I might change my mind That's a whole step harder than doing in a full-speed scripted drill. IMO, sparring is where one finds out that these things don't work all the time (unlike scripted drills, where if the technique is OK, it can be made to work all of the time). Working sometimes in sparring is good enough. The same applies to simple unarmed techniques, like a jab. Doesn't work all the time in sparring. "Sometimes" is good enough. (Do you know what the Kali people call their style/school?) Mano-Mano Sikaran - Ferrier Martial Arts. And yea i suppose your right. It's not about having a technique that always works. But if it sometimes works maybe it's worth it I just have a hard time buying it sometimes. A guy with a knife is likely gonna have as much adrenaline as you have, and is gonna be moving just as fast. But I suppose the idea is to build precision with that speed? I haven't done a lot of Kali outside doing drills by myself Plus a lot of places don't take into account that most people are gonna prison rush you, which has been shown to be very hard to stop. But a knife fight is a bit different. Most say knife fights don't exist as most are surprise knife attacks, but there are actually instances where knife fights do exist. This is where I'm hoping the Kali comes in handy. If someone wants to stab you and you manage to get ready right away, it's unlikely you will be prison rushed I think, unless the guy goes full kamekazi on you. In the cases he sees you have a knife too and wants to engage, those rare types of incidents is when I want Kali for. Well.. Except I don't typically carry a knife anymore. I've still been messing around, making stuff, trying to find a good alternative to a knife
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Sept 18, 2019 22:30:44 GMT
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Post by Ifrit on Sept 18, 2019 22:30:44 GMT
Truth be told, one reason Kali interests me is because machetes and swords have kind of been my thing for the past few years. Only recently I've been back into swords as much as I've been into knives and machetes for the past few years. I normally would have said modern knife fighting is a bigger interest, but I have been really into HEMA and Kenjutsu too
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Sept 18, 2019 23:13:14 GMT
Post by Cosmoline on Sept 18, 2019 23:13:14 GMT
HEMA includes a variety of stick fighting, as well as a substantial amount of dagger stuff. So there's plenty of overlap. The difference from what I've seen is that HEMA is focused on old sources, while FMA are a living art. This tends to change one's relationship with the teacher *substantially*. In HEMA you will typically study under a free scholar or equivalent. You're all students, and there are no real masters alive. So it's wide open and you have less "dojo syndrome" going on. On a technical level, FMA seems to focus on knives and small swords. HEMA deals with a wider range including some big fricking blades. FMA is arguably more practical, since modern blades tend to be smaller. But, again, there is a lot of overlap. The difference between a machete and a langes messer is not huge.
Bottom line--if you want to learn close-in, fast paced modern knife fighting, FMA is the way to go. If you want to learn how to use a longer sword, go with HEMA. I mean, Doug Marcaido is impressive with a knife, but his efforts with the longswords have been... lacking
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Sept 19, 2019 1:58:37 GMT
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Post by Ifrit on Sept 19, 2019 1:58:37 GMT
HEMA includes a variety of stick fighting, as well as a substantial amount of dagger stuff. So there's plenty of overlap. The difference from what I've seen is that HEMA is focused on old sources, while FMA are a living art. This tends to change one's relationship with the teacher *substantially*. In HEMA you will typically study under a free scholar or equivalent. You're all students, and there are no real masters alive. So it's wide open and you have less "dojo syndrome" going on. On a technical level, FMA seems to focus on knives and small swords. HEMA deals with a wider range including some big fricking blades. FMA is arguably more practical, since modern blades tend to be smaller. But, again, there is a lot of overlap. The difference between a machete and a langes messer is not huge.
Bottom line--if you want to learn close-in, fast paced modern knife fighting, FMA is the way to go. If you want to learn how to use a longer sword, go with HEMA. I mean, Doug Marcaido is impressive with a knife, but his efforts with the longswords have been... lacking
I agree entirely about Doug. He really doesn't know how to use a long sword. I enjoy his knife work though.. At his speed, you could easily fit in three tempos per enemy tempo, or whatever wording is used ti describe what I'm attempting to describe
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