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Post by tancred on Sept 12, 2019 5:53:30 GMT
I watched it once, and probably would never watch it again. Its just kind of a depressing movie. No real re-watch value. I feel that way about a lot of Scorsese movies (Tarentino is worse, though). I can't say that any Scorsese or Tarentino movie enriched my life in any way, and I could have happily lived without ever seeing one.
All that said, its been too long for me really remember what kind of knives they used in the movie. Can't effectively answer your question. But the impression I got was that Bill's knives were basically common butcher's knives. Like his name.
Hopefully there are other people here who can answer better than I.
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Post by Ifrit on Sept 12, 2019 6:18:27 GMT
Copyright issues
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2019 6:30:28 GMT
"a great mob of men, women, and children; the men, in red working shirts, looking fairly fiendish as they brandished clubs, threw stones, and fired pistols."
"Throughout the day there were frequent conflicts between the military and the rioters, in which the latter were often victorious, being partially organized, and well armed with various weapons taken from the stores they had plundered."www.historynet.com/martha-derby-perry-eyewitness-to-the-1863-new-york-city-draft-riots.htmThe draft riots are chronicled by several first hand accounts and newspaper articles. As real as it gets. historymatters.gmu.edu/d/6216Personal knives (if any) at the time were generally friction folders aka clasp knives. The cultural class of the working folk had other ways to spend what money they earned and owed. Raising families, etc. We sometimes glorify weaponry but in terms of the five points and the reality, gangs worked only when outnumbering a mark or squabble. Newspapers were nothing new, so scholars of that history often start there. Most large cities and towns have chronicled histories and legalities/cases back to the medieval period with civil matters depicted back as far as cave paintings Consider that most bearing arms at that time were busy with a war. Sailors as often with a sap/billy or slung shot to supplement a dirk or knife while about town but they were transient "out on the town" brawlers. Small daggers and dirks more common as defensive edged weapons for those affording them with time on their hands. The rioters of 1863 worked hard and slept less to make life work. Cheers GC My family were Missourians, fighting first cousins at times. Cheers GC.
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Post by Ifrit on Sept 12, 2019 6:41:28 GMT
Copyright issues Huh? I can't see the video clips due to copyright issues. A between country thing
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Sept 12, 2019 11:01:33 GMT
The first time I watched this, years ago, I couldn't fathom that all these men would show up to a gang fight armed with lethal weapons without bothering to improvise shields, helmets, arm and hand wraps, or body armor.
Like, do you all want to be dead or crippled tomorrow? Is nobody going to work the factory floor and feed your family? Did you never hear about spears or staying in formations? I mean, fighting in tight lines was still a recent thing then.
Then I watched it again now and realized Scorsese doesn't care about that kind of realism.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2019 13:52:37 GMT
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Post by neuronic on Sept 12, 2019 21:40:33 GMT
Sadly one of Scorsese's worst. One great Daniel Day-Lewis, though... once more. What a character this Bill Cutting is, how fearsome, how disturbingly accessible.
I consider Daniel Day-Lewis one of the greatest actors ever, maybe THE best.
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Post by Ifrit on Sept 12, 2019 21:41:52 GMT
I can't see the video clips due to copyright issues. A between country thing How about this one? Doesn't work for me cause of country copyright things which is bunk
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Post by howler on Sept 12, 2019 22:51:36 GMT
The first time I watched this, years ago, I couldn't fathom that all these men would show up to a gang fight armed with lethal weapons without bothering to improvise shields, helmets, arm and hand wraps, or body armor. Like, do you all want to be dead or crippled tomorrow? Is nobody going to work the factory floor and feed your family? Did you never hear about spears or staying in formations? I mean, fighting in tight lines was still a recent thing then. Then I watched it again now and realized Scorsese doesn't care about that kind of realism. Your dealing with the dude in front of you (a shaky proposition by itself) and get "brained" by someone behind you, what can go wrong?
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Post by Dave Kelly on Sept 19, 2019 0:26:33 GMT
One of the things in my collection of professional reading is a book entitiled, "Soldiers and Civilians, The Martial Spirit of America" By Marcus Cunliffe. It's social history, broad and often humorous. Covers careerist feuds in the military, militia, state and race violence, dueling and politics.
New York was always boisterous and an immigrant hell hole. Protestant, Catholic violence was a carry over from Europe. Funny story of New York: A fire team of the period was composed of about 200 men. So many because the hose pressure was provided manually with six men on each side of the pump truck, relieved after 5 minutes at a time. Your house was doomed if a Protestant team and an Irish team showed up for the same fire. Instead of the fire, there was a 400 to 800 man mob engrossed in putting each others lights out.
Re the gangs of New York. The Draft Riots of 1863 were a crisis in a number of cities. New York was terribly vulnerable because the Governor was persuaded by Lincoln to send all the militia to save Harrisburg from the approaching Army of Northern Virginia. As soon as Gettysburg was resolved, a brigade of the 6th Corps, Army of the Potomac was put on ships and dispatched North. Fort Hamilton NY was the home of the US Army infantry in the East. Recruits, cadre and recovering light duty soldiers were stationed there. When the riots started there were less than 250 of these soldiers at Fort Hamilton, but by the second day of the riots they were called out to assist.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Sept 19, 2019 2:19:35 GMT
Interesting bit of history per the last paragraph.
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