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Post by Siward on Aug 15, 2019 20:59:46 GMT
I’ve seen a few Damascus steel medieval period swords advertised for sale and I was wondering if they would be historically correct ? Certainly I don’t recall seeing a Damascus medieval sword in a museum though of course the blades there are often heavily corroded. Anyone able to shed any light ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 21:22:18 GMT
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Post by stormmaster on Aug 15, 2019 21:40:44 GMT
many swords from the viking era were rehilted to newer styles, then i guess the popularity of it waned down and there were less and less but im sure there is that 1 or 2 odd ball pattern welded euro piece out there with pattern welded blade, in the east damascus continued for along time and can be seen in all sorts of swords from India to China to even the the island nations. If you look on Mandarin Mansion you will see alot of examples www.mandarinmansion.com/item
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 22:19:14 GMT
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Post by Jordan Williams on Aug 15, 2019 23:15:39 GMT
Yeah, in the 19th, 20th, century one can find Damascus blades. "Damask" and "Echt Damask" often being on German swords with the feature.
If I remember correctly, Echt Damask signals fake Damascus.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Aug 16, 2019 2:49:56 GMT
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Post by MOK on Aug 16, 2019 3:49:39 GMT
Yeah, in the 19th, 20th, century one can find Damascus blades. "Damask" and "Echt Damask" often being on German swords with the feature. If I remember correctly, Echt Damask signals fake Damascus. "Echt damask" means "real damascene", signifying actual pattern-welded metal as opposed to just a decorated surface. Anyway, "Damascus steel" is a bit of a colloquialism, derived from the steel being imported to Europe through the city of Damascus. It's a type of early crucible steel that actually came from India, and is more accurately called wootz steel (or sometimes "watered steel" in reference to its inherent texture). The terms "Damascus steel" and "damascene" can actually be quite confusing because they're also widely used to refer to pattern-welded steel and plain monosteel with a decorative pattern etched onto it (hence "echt Damask").
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Post by Jordan Williams on Aug 16, 2019 4:26:43 GMT
Yeah, in the 19th, 20th, century one can find Damascus blades. "Damask" and "Echt Damask" often being on German swords with the feature. If I remember correctly, Echt Damask signals fake Damascus. "Echt damask" means "real damascene", signifying actual pattern-welded metal as opposed to just a decorated surface. Anyway, "Damascus steel" is a bit of a colloquialism, derived from the steel being imported to Europe through the city of Damascus. It's a type of early crucible steel that actually came from India, and is more accurately called wootz steel (or sometimes "watered steel" in reference to its inherent texture). The terms "Damascus steel" and "damascene" can actually be quite confusing because they're also widely used to refer to pattern-welded steel and plain monosteel with a decorative pattern etched onto it (hence "echt Damask"). Oh I know, but I've read that the Echt was a signifier of etched Damascus. But I could be remembering it wrong or a translation error.
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Post by MOK on Aug 16, 2019 4:32:35 GMT
"Echt damask" means "real damascene", signifying actual pattern-welded metal as opposed to just a decorated surface. Anyway, "Damascus steel" is a bit of a colloquialism, derived from the steel being imported to Europe through the city of Damascus. It's a type of early crucible steel that actually came from India, and is more accurately called wootz steel (or sometimes "watered steel" in reference to its inherent texture). The terms "Damascus steel" and "damascene" can actually be quite confusing because they're also widely used to refer to pattern-welded steel and plain monosteel with a decorative pattern etched onto it (hence "echt Damask"). Oh I know, but I've read that the Echt was a signifier of etched Damascus. But I could be remembering it wrong or a translation error. "Etched" would be geätzt in German; echt literally means "real". ...unless, of course, it's marketing doublespeak!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 4:59:37 GMT
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Aug 16, 2019 15:55:46 GMT
Wow, is it me, or does this look like a Sai or Jitte? Neat piece!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 17:31:33 GMT
The hilt is three dissociated pieces and the entirety a composite. The blade was originally part of an 18th century smallsword. I bought this composite as seen when seeing the blade and adopted it at a pizza money level. The pommel appears to be a knob from some piece of machinery. The guard may be the oldest part of the composite and the grip from something entirely different. Originally something like this archive.org/details/metmuseum-Catalogue_of_European_Court_Swords_and_Hunting_SwordsNo. 66 has a somewhat similar blade cross section and the panoply of arms decoration on the forte. From the second half of the 18th century Cheers GC The original blade length in the 30" range In addendum regarding the fancy 20th century German sword art, swords were not a restricted item during the Weimar period after the Versailles treaty ending WWI.
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Aug 16, 2019 17:36:10 GMT
Still....+2 cool factor.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 18:00:03 GMT
Still....+2 cool factor. Finding it was happenstance, The original sword must have been an exception and elaborate sword. Imagine it with the porcelain grip shown adjacent in that book plate. The grip of the composite is faux wire and I have yet to nail down the period. The guard most likely 17th century Spanish. Yes, a bit like a sai (see the Manji design) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sai_(weapon)en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sai_(weapon)#/media/File:Manjisai.svgA lot of my oddball stuff makes me react like "well, will you look at that!" It was from Chuck Russell's pages, found and adopted by me in the spring 2009. www.arms2armor.com/Cheers GC
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Aug 16, 2019 21:20:57 GMT
Agreed... I have an old Civil War partial blade that I am making a project blade... Will be interesting to see what I turn out. But I'm definitely doing the polish and restoration of the finish the way you do.
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