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Post by Zanbatou on Aug 11, 2019 5:48:55 GMT
Hi Everybody,
Hope this find you all well! Im looking for a tough blade, shinogi-zukuri geometry, for backyard cutting on mid, semi-hard to hard targets, under, on, or just a little over 300 usd budget. But this time, looking for a DH with hamon, though still capable of absorbing a good amount of abusive shocks without bending, chipping, or any major trouble (already have 3 TH so this would be my first DH-Hamon). Ive been staring at that Ryujin 5160 DH, with a Suguha hamon in SBG store for quite a long now, but didnt see people saying much about it in here, indeed, nothing besides the two reviews-comments there in the page of the product itself. Then my doubts, 5160 DH? in Spring steel? with a real hamon? Uncommon at least. How is that blade came about? How does it performs? Are the good qualities of 5160 maintained or do they radically transform through DH treatment? Ryujin claimed it is the only one of this type in the market, so, does anybody have any idea, and practice, on this subject? Does anybody out there have tested it? I saw a torture test of one of these models, different in fittings from the one Sbg advertises, but I suppose it is the same blade. However, it seemed to be requested by Ryujin itself, sort of an official test. So, I was wondering if you guys have any thoughts on this particular katana, do you?
Thanks for any Input on this issue.
Best regards,
Zanbatou
PS - by other hand, Ive recently saw a good review by john walter, think this is his name, on a very interesting piece, Iron Tiger T10, Yamato(a)no Orochi, and the thing was a beast, for all purposes, looked like a very solid and sound DH that handled dry bamboo very efficiently, even in purposeful bad cuts. Plus an awesome hamon on it. Saw it in Koa for a reasonable price. What do you think about this other one?
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Post by maewyn on Aug 13, 2019 16:27:35 GMT
John is my oldest and best friend,I can ask him about the other sword if you have any specific questions,if you'd like.
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Post by maewyn on Aug 13, 2019 23:07:28 GMT
John is my oldest and best friend,I can ask him about the other sword if you have any specific questions,if you'd like. John, I know it's you! :D Just kidding. Lol.You probably wouldn't be the first to think so. Jamie. Nice to meet you.
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Post by Zanbatou on Aug 14, 2019 4:06:36 GMT
Hi Maewyn and Nternal,
Thanks for the replies!
My "specific question" unfolds in, at least, four branches, let me rephrase them:
1 - Is this Ryujin 5160 spring steel differentially hardened with suguha hamon as tough and resilient as a regular TH 5160 steel katana, lets say an Autumn leaf, or Raptor Shinogi Zukuri? 2 - What might be the differences between these two types of 5160 steel katana blades, DH and TH? (this is complementary to the first one) 3 - The Iron Tiger Yamato no Orochi, T10, DH, seems to be a very tough DH and a powerful cutter (John's test-review left no doubt). So, Is this IT katana a forgiving blade in the absence of good cutting skills, despite being DH? 4 - How it would be comparable to a 5160 DH such like that Ryujin?
Of course this could be better answered by someone who have experienced both katanas, but any opinions are welcomed as well. Obviously, Im not in a good position to answer the query between possibly an apple and a pineapple in terms of katana types. But my major doubt regards this differentially hardening process applied on a 5160 katana blade, specifically on that Ryujin one, considering toughness, resilience and forgiveness on untrained hands.
Best Regards,
Zanbatou
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Post by Zanbatou on Aug 14, 2019 21:27:32 GMT
Thanks, man! Very helpful! A first vote for the IT 8 Dragons.
Cheers!
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Post by maewyn on Aug 15, 2019 11:15:18 GMT
Mostly John echoed what Zanbatou said.Thing he disliked about the IT was the body tsuka shaping and not inserting the samegawa panels.Said the tsuka wasnt terrible but could have finished better.Said the blades were tough.One was a bit thicker than the other but without watching his vids again he couldn't remember which. Hope this is helpful.
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Post by Frank the Bunny on Aug 16, 2019 2:24:18 GMT
for th or dh in this price range, I'd recommend Huawei Swords. they are well built and more refined than most of the competition imo, inside and out. I've owned many and worked with more and they haven't disappointed yet. it's actually the only brand I buy now for under $400.
no katana is beyond damage from abuse but these hold up very well from the results I've seen. learning how to use the sword properly will help reduce the risk of damaging it as well as improve your cutting.
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Post by Zanbatou on Aug 17, 2019 5:13:34 GMT
Thanks for the replies, guys! Yep, I possibly remember John`s commenting on something inadequate with the IT tsuka in the review, will see it again. Regarding Huawei, yep their T10 Dh blades are well regarded, as well as their 9260 Th, actually, I got one of these, the cheapest one (I talk about it in the other thread), and can attest its toughness. But, their most accessible T10 dh is an unokubi zukuri geometry, the next one is a shinogi zukuri but in shirasaya, which is very nice but costs way far my limit. Taking toughness for granted, in case of huawei`s kats I would go for that heavy cutter with niku in 9260 th, 359 usd, think it would be my possible future purchase from them, but not for the moment, im still learning about that other 9260 th, 199 usd, model I`ve got. In anycase, I keep on curious about that 5160 dh Ryujin kat and if it could out perform in someway the well known 5160 th kat blades. if someone out there had the opportunity to handle and cut with it, please, your opinion would be very appreciated here, besides any educated guesses from everybody else. Kind regards, Zanbatou
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Post by maewyn on Aug 17, 2019 15:39:25 GMT
I honestly cant see Ryujin out performing anything much.Its not much more than a Musashi in different clothes,imho.I wouldn't really think much of DH 5160 unless made by James Raw or maybe the old KC blades.
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Post by Zanbatou on Aug 18, 2019 3:52:44 GMT
Good question Nternal, it made me think on what most people I see around here mentions as the 5160 qualities, toughness (good resistance to impacts and shocks, it wont break easily), resilience (it can deform but wont hold memory of deformation, it returns to its initial state), but not as good in edge holding, tough blade but not hard edged, as comparing to1075/ 1085/1095 dh blades, general considerations. What I would expect from a 5160 Dh is toughness plus a more hard edge, so a more balanced blade combining these two aspects, maintaining the toughness and resilience against bending and bearing a perceptible improvement in edge hardness, think you've pointed out up there to a similar expectation regarding a DH 5160 blade. However, there is no guarantee that this Ryujin 5160 DH blade can behave, or perform like that, as Maewyn points out just above in his comment counter-advising high expectations on that brand and in its DH approach to 5160 (difference in relation with Musashi is that Musashi don t work with 5160 steel, so far). It seems that regarding toughness and hardness when you get one it comes in the expense of the other, both in the same blade is hard to find, at least with the steels we are talking about and at this price point of 300 usd. If that Ryujin 5160 dh could do that, comparing to, lets say, DK autumn leaf, I would think in terms of out performing a 5160 th blade. Cheers!!
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Post by Zanbatou on Sept 8, 2019 3:51:18 GMT
Wow, found this discussion...a refreshment on this topic coming from past threads...https://sbg-sword-forum.forums.net/thread/15284/clay-quenching-5160-katana very instructive....from that a conclude (confirm) that DH, particularly using clay, in 5160 steel katana is not the most proper way of utilizing nor increasing the spring properties and also demands a more complex investment of knowledge to produce a good piece, and chances of something going wrong, considering production katanas in general, are overall higher.
best Z.
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