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Post by corvalis on Jun 29, 2019 14:35:46 GMT
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Post by pellius on Jun 29, 2019 15:18:42 GMT
I have bought several Hanbon katana over the years. I was never ripped off, and always got what was advertised, both in look and substance. They all were budget swords, though. In the end, I really like mine, but they won’t necessarily impress “sword people,” I got what was promised, but really nothing more. If you want more or nicer, Hanbon can deliver, but they will charge more. Kinda like a decent smorgasbord where you even get charged for the pat of butter. This seems reasonable to me, but to each his or her own.
imho, Hanbon is one of the better customizable Longquan choices. But it is Longquan. All sales are final.
I would guess shipping to be $40-50 US, which is baked into the price. For about $200, it’s probably a decent sword.
SBG and other sources claim Chinese T10 is really “just” US 1095. Also probably fine, but ymmv.
All my swords from China sailed thru US customs with no problems. Again, though, ymmv.
Either way, happy hunting.
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Post by Lancelot Chan on Jun 29, 2019 15:44:08 GMT
My review on hanbon hira zukuri T10 katana.
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Post by pellius on Jun 29, 2019 16:19:36 GMT
Nice review.
“Like a Longship” Wow Very high praise indeed. Maybe Hanbon *can* impress a “sword person.”
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Post by Lancelot Chan on Jun 29, 2019 16:37:39 GMT
Nice review. “Like a Longship” Wow Very high praise indeed. Maybe Hanbon *can* impress a “sword person.” Yes. Hira Zukuri is a very good cutting geometry in sacrificing edge retention and durability but as you can see it holds up with modern metallurgy in a "pure test cut on flesh and bone targets" environment. On the other hand, hitting the opponent sword will damage a blade no matter what cross section. So all in all I consider this test sword very well made.
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Post by corvalis on Jun 30, 2019 14:15:42 GMT
I have bought several Hanbon katana over the years. I was never ripped off, and always got what was advertised, both in look and substance. They all were budget swords, though. In the end, I really like mine, but they won’t necessarily impress “sword people,” I got what was promised, but really nothing more. If you want more or nicer, Hanbon can deliver, but they will charge more. Kinda like a decent smorgasbord where you even get charged for the pat of butter. This seems reasonable to me, but to each his or her own. imho, Hanbon is one of the better customizable Longquan choices. But it is Longquan. All sales are final. I would guess shipping to be $40-50 US, which is baked into the price. For about $200, it’s probably a decent sword. SBG and other sources claim Chinese T10 is really “just” US 1095. Also probably fine, but ymmv. All my swords from China sailed thru US customs with no problems. Again, though, ymmv. Either way, happy hunting. Thanks for the advice. It's disappointing to know that this supposed T10 is really just 1095. Do you think this one: samuraiswords.store/buy/naginata-blade-t10-clay-tempered-steel-with-synthetic-leather-holsters-saya/ is the same 1095 pretending to be T10? If so, I'll have to keep looking. I think 9260, T10, 5160 & L6 are the only metals I would consider worth buying. Guess I could put my Naginata blade search on hold, and focus on tracking down a Shinken....already have five or six possibles for the katana. Strange that a Naginata sword is so hard to find.
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Post by corvalis on Jun 30, 2019 14:33:24 GMT
My review on hanbon hira zukuri T10 katana. Thank you for the review. The sword sure looks nice, but if Hanbon is selling 1095 as T10, that would be a problem for me. My research suggests 1095 is slightly below 5160, plus the false advertising aspect. How to you think your Hanbon sword will stand up to a lot of tameshigiri practice through the years? It looks efficient, but durability is a concern for me. I expect to only be buying two swords in my life, so I need to focus on what will last.
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Post by Lancelot Chan on Jun 30, 2019 15:09:58 GMT
My review on hanbon hira zukuri T10 katana. Thank you for the review. The sword sure looks nice, but if Hanbon is selling 1095 as T10, that would be a problem for me. My research suggests 1095 is slightly below 5160, plus the false advertising aspect. How to you think your Hanbon sword will stand up to a lot of tameshigiri practice through the years? It looks efficient, but durability is a concern for me. I expect to only be buying two swords in my life, so I need to focus on what will last. They are actually selling T10 as 1095. I'm not sure in what aspect do you think 1095 is below 5160. It has higher carbon content, can do higher hardness even tempered. It may not have the same ductility. How often do you cut and what do you cut will be a concern in your question.
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Post by manville on Jun 30, 2019 15:35:57 GMT
I recently purchased two custom made bare blades and requested them in 1095. One seller, HanBon Forge said nothing and delivered my blade in T10, which is fine. The second seller, Tsunami Dragon told me that 1095 was not available in Longquan that they only have T10, which I believe to be true. I've worked with 1095 and other similar carbon steels when I forge blades. Some internet research tells me that T10 is close to the US equivalent of 1095. A little testing, and now I would choose T10 over 1095 for a sword blade.
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Post by RaylonTheDemented on Jun 30, 2019 17:05:38 GMT
From what I understand, Chinese sellers may sometimes claim to make swords in 1095, maybe to look savvy to the potential sword buyer, but they would have to import 1095, while T10 is made in China.
T10 and 1095 are very similar steels, almost indistinguishable practically speaking. Either steel will offer the same performance as far as sword making goes.
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Post by manville on Jun 30, 2019 17:23:34 GMT
From what I understand, Chinese sellers may sometimes claim to make swords in 1095, maybe to look savvy to the potential sword buyer, but they would have to import 1095, while T10 is made in China.
T10 and 1095 are very similar steels, almost indistinguishable practically speaking. Either steel will offer the same performance as far as sword making goes.
That is my understanding as well. 1095 US and T10 China, both about 1% carbon content. I've noticed the T10 does not rust as quickly. Seems to have more magnese content or something, and not as hard as 1095. It holds an edge well.
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Post by Lancelot Chan on Jun 30, 2019 17:30:25 GMT
From what I understand, Chinese sellers may sometimes claim to make swords in 1095, maybe to look savvy to the potential sword buyer, but they would have to import 1095, while T10 is made in China.
T10 and 1095 are very similar steels, almost indistinguishable practically speaking. Either steel will offer the same performance as far as sword making goes.
That is my understanding as well. 1095 US and T10 China, both about 1% carbon content. I've noticed the T10 does not rust as quickly. Seems to have more magnese content or something, and not as hard as 1095. It holds an edge well. T10 from China, according to CASIberia's information, has slightly more carbon content than 1095 and some silicon added for additional wear resistance as well as strength. "T10 is basically the Chinese equivalent of our 1095, but it has silicon added as an alloying element to improve the steel's strength and wear resistance (edge-holding) properties. T10 blades can be tempered to a high hardness and hold an edge well. As with 1095, rust resistance is low, and T10 blades must be carefully maintained. T10 Steel Composition: 1.00C 0.36Mn 0.32Si"
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jun 30, 2019 18:28:04 GMT
I found steel datasheets showing ranges for the alloy content. 1095 0.95-1.05 C and a bit Si and Mn. More or less the same as Chinese T10. Probably two batches of 1095 (or T10) can be more different than the datasheet differences between 1095 and T10. Here's good info: www.nihonzashi.com/types_of_steel.aspx
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Post by corvalis on Jul 1, 2019 3:54:56 GMT
Thank you for the review. The sword sure looks nice, but if Hanbon is selling 1095 as T10, that would be a problem for me. My research suggests 1095 is slightly below 5160, plus the false advertising aspect. How to you think your Hanbon sword will stand up to a lot of tameshigiri practice through the years? It looks efficient, but durability is a concern for me. I expect to only be buying two swords in my life, so I need to focus on what will last. They are actually selling T10 as 1095. I'm not sure in what aspect do you think 1095 is below 5160. It has higher carbon content, can do higher hardness even tempered. It may not have the same ductility. How often do you cut and what do you cut will be a concern in your question. That is very good news, as the only other source of T10 Naginata-style sword I could find is samuraiswords.store/buy/naginata-blade-t10-clay-tempered-steel-with-synthetic-leather-holsters-saya/ . At about twice the price, and coming with a cheap looking saya, I was not eager to buy this, as getting a decent scabbard custom-made is not cheap. So if there is agreement here that the Hanbon sword is really T10: www.hanbonforge.com/Japanese-Swords/Naginata/High-Quality-Japanese-Samurai-Sword-NAGINATA-T10-Steel-Oil-Quenched-Full-Tang-Blade-Very-SharpI will add it to next month budget. I am retired so must plan a month or two in advance. My Google research on the metals to look for (and those to avoid) was done over a few weeks, and went several hundred pages of links deep. Much conflicting info and not that much consensus, but I have come to the idea that 9260 (spring or folded), T10, L6, and 5160 are the ones to buy, with 5160 the low end of this list. As for 1095 vs 5160, a brief Google search I just did turned up this: www.bladeforums.com/threads/5160-vs-1095.472182/forum.spyderco.com/viewtopic.php?t=79237www.knifenetwork.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-3338.htmlwww.bladehq.com/cat--Steel-Types--332www.reddit.com/r/SWORDS/comments/4h43b5/1095_vs_5160_steels_in_sword_blades/All of these were seen before in my previous deep search. The slight advantage of 5160 seems to be "toughness" which I hope equates to durability. The advantage of 1095 seems to be it is easier to sharpen, and retains sharpness longer. At least this is what I have interpreted from a mountain of conflicting opinions. Way back when I was doing tameshigiri (like twenty years ago) the instructor only used tatami, and had a marked bias against anything else. Considering he supplied the swords, I never put up a fuss. That said, I just priced tatami-omote, and see the prices are not any better than I remember. Needless to say, I am keenly interested in learning how to make your 'pipe-core target' from the video. Regarding how often I intend to practice, I have freed up an hour per day for this, though at my age, I may not be inclined to do it every day...my muscles will have final say over the brain. As is, I have a three hour daily training of Neijia, Chi-kung and weaponry. I'll have to wait and see how taxing cutting is on the old body.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jul 1, 2019 4:32:05 GMT
Don't overestimate the importance of the steel type for a blade. 95% still is the heat treatment. The thumb rules for steels are not gospels where every 0,1% counts. A well heat treated 1045 blade is muuuch better than a badly heat treated US T10. I wouldn't hesitate to buy a 1045 blade from a good maker with thrustworthy heat treatment. Many smiths use 5160 not because it's superior for blades but they have less failures with quenching. If you want a tough blade have 0.45-0.7 C, if you want a hard edge have > 0.7 C, add alloys to your taste, you'll probably never experience the difference.
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Post by Lancelot Chan on Jul 1, 2019 5:59:43 GMT
If you cut my kind of targets, and you're good at blade alignment, then 1 sword will be enough for your rate of practice. If you're bad at blade alignment though, you'll likely damage the sword from time to time. Then maybe you'll need 2 or more depending how bad you damage them. :) My kind of targets are not very hurting on the edge but are very substantial to strike at, weighting as much as a human arm if rolled to the same diameter.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jul 1, 2019 7:21:20 GMT
We hope to see you some day cutting with a Cold Steel Nodachi Machete (1055)!
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Post by rjodorizzi on Jul 16, 2019 14:43:34 GMT
Older thread so not sure if still looking for input. I just bought a dao from them a couple months ago and am pretty solidly satisfied. Rayskin wrapped handle, blade seems quality and everything is tight with no loose rattles.
I'd order from them again (although I got what I was looking for so likely wont!)
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Post by Lancelot Chan on Jul 16, 2019 17:23:27 GMT
My hira zukuri nodachi is almost finished, only waiting for the sheath. From the spec. they measured for me, it has become a tad bit thicker than my spec. thus with a slightly more forward balance than desired. Well, we'll see how it ends up when it arrive at my place.
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Post by Lancelot Chan on Jul 17, 2019 15:32:35 GMT
My hira zukuri nodachi is almost finished, only waiting for the sheath. From the spec. they measured for me, it has become a tad bit thicker than my spec. thus with a slightly more forward balance than desired. Well, we'll see how it ends up when it arrive at my place. Sounds cool, A hira zukuri nodachi sounds like a serious cutter. Yes. Here are the pics from the forge. Attachments:
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