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Post by kristian on Jun 7, 2019 18:01:44 GMT
I saw this offer on the main SBG store and my inner nerd could not pass up this opportunity. sbg-sword-store.sword-buyers-guide.com/bokken-bogo.htmlI have little to no sword experience other than basic cuts but I've always wanted to try Musashi Miyamoto's style (Niten Ichi Ryu I think it's called.) Of course, I can also practice with the bokken individually instead of dual-wielding them together. Anyone have any tips for me? Something like videos or literature to refer to would be a plus, too.
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Post by Cosmoline on Jun 7, 2019 18:06:40 GMT
I don't know much about JSA but it might be easier to start out with sword and board or sword and buckler. Getting both arms to work together is very difficult but having complimentary geometric shapes (line and circle) does make it easier.
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Post by kristian on Jun 7, 2019 18:16:46 GMT
Yeah, I can see how easier it is to have a sword and shield work together instead of trying to do two similar things at once. I think the idea of the two-sword style was to have one shorter than the other so that they don't get caught up in each other. I think it also allows a sort of attack-and-defend maneuver with either blade at the same time, although a sword and shield will almost always be more effective.
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Post by MOK on Jun 7, 2019 22:10:40 GMT
Musashi only advised "dual-wielding" long swords as a training method to get accustomed to using the long sword in one hand. Of course, if you somehow happened to get into a fight while in possession of two long swords instead of the daisho that men of his status carried as an everyday matter of fact, you'd use them, but it wasn't a regular or expected thing; the explicit expectation in his writings was that you would have (and make full use of) one long sword and one short sword.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2019 1:23:40 GMT
That's not entirely the case. Take another look at the earth scroll.
One quote: "It is better to use two swords rather than one when you are fighting a mob, and especially if you want to take a prisoner."
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Post by kristian on Jun 8, 2019 1:43:23 GMT
Sorry, I should have made myself clear. I ordered a katana bokken and a ko-katana bokken instead of two of the similar thing.
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Post by MOK on Jun 8, 2019 6:53:29 GMT
That's not entirely the case. Take another look at the earth scroll. One quote: "It is better to use two swords rather than one when you are fighting a mob, and especially if you want to take a prisoner." Right, but that's in reference to the long and short swords you'd be wearing, anyway, not a recommendation to carry two long swords. There's very little real advantage to using two matched weapons, which is why it's almost universally presented as a display of skill rather than a sound tactical choice, while using two different weapons (sword and shield, rapier and dagger, daisho) is not only much easier but also opens up many new tactical options.
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Post by Ifrit on Jun 8, 2019 7:19:10 GMT
Do it bro. Try it out. Only one way to get good at it right? It has been done before. Why can't it be done again?
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Post by MOK on Jun 8, 2019 7:21:14 GMT
Sorry, I should have made myself clear. I ordered a katana bokken and a ko-katana bokken instead of two of the similar thing. Right, I getcha. And no shame, either way! I have two long and two short bokken and I don't even really know kenjutsu. There's some pretty good stuff (along with a lot of outright woo) on YouTube. For example, for Niten Ichi Ryu in particular, these guys demonstrate a lot of the very common sense techniques, mostly involving single-time parry/bind and counter, that you'd expect from any two-weapon fighting style.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2019 12:02:50 GMT
That's not entirely the case. Take another look at the earth scroll. One quote: "It is better to use two swords rather than one when you are fighting a mob, and especially if you want to take a prisoner." Right, but that's in reference to the long and short swords you'd be wearing, anyway, not a recommendation to carry two long swords. There's very little real advantage to using two matched weapons, which is why it's almost universally presented as a display of skill rather than a sound tactical choice, while using two different weapons (sword and shield, rapier and dagger, daisho) is not only much easier but also opens up many new tactical options. Oh right on. I've seen a lot of "well actually Musashi never really told people to use a sword in either hand" which kind of blows my mind as it's one of the core things about the guy's teaching. Somehow I wrapped your statement in with that in my head and that's not what you had stated. Oopsies. There was at least one translation I'd read where he stated something along the lines of "in the past it was tachi and katana, now it is katana and wakizashi" could have been naming convention or more literal. I could have sworn there was one famous dude who carried two katana as a daisho but the name's escaping me at the moment.
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Post by harrybeck on Jun 8, 2019 13:59:11 GMT
Are you wedded to Japanese stuff? Try rapier. The double form is called case of rapier, and was one sheath that held mirror image swords made to look like one sword.
I've practiced this form extensively for many years, and it's not that hard to learn at a beginner's level.
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Post by pgandy on Jun 8, 2019 14:28:06 GMT
And then there are butterfly swords.
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Post by MOK on Jun 8, 2019 15:24:03 GMT
There are also paired Chinese jian and dao, made as mirror images and flat on one side to fit in one sheath just like the aforementioned rapiers and butterfly swords. All of these are virtually always shorter than normal, too.
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Post by harrybeck on Jun 8, 2019 16:53:09 GMT
Full length and they become unwieldy for edc.
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Post by pgandy on Jun 8, 2019 20:20:51 GMT
On the other hand, my 15” butterfly blades while far from unwieldly are too dangerous for me to take seriously. I have fear, much fear, in the excitement of things of cutting my own arm. I am comfortable with my trainers and have had no accidents. But the real thing in the heat of combat… They stay packed away, I don’t even test cut with them.
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Post by zabazagobo on Jun 9, 2019 7:33:45 GMT
Start slow. Focus on symmetry.
At first, two of the same arm, equal hands equal opportunities. As with unarmed combat.
Symmetry is your friend. Develop flow, like karate/tai-chi/boxing.
With long and short, focus on the unexpected. Emphasize the bind. Parry, and stick. You can stick, you have two weapons. An opponent trained in but a single weapon, a long one at that, is at a disadvantage. They can easily be confused when they focus on the long. You seize the opportunity and seize them.
Vague, but precise. A fun start.
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Post by zabazagobo on Jun 9, 2019 9:42:10 GMT
Full length and they become unwieldy for edc. No. Only for fault of training. Edc constitutes guns and knives. Edc traditionally is what can be used. If two swords cannot be used, use something else. It is a matter of training.
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Post by harrybeck on Jun 9, 2019 12:02:47 GMT
No, I am in fact correct. EDC is whatever you regularly carry and is not restricted to weapons of any kind.
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Post by markus313 on Jun 9, 2019 21:23:07 GMT
From time to time, I enjoy dual wielding. Have a set of Cold Steel bokken, O katana and wakizashi. I much prefer English style sword and dagger, though. Not that hard to snipe the arms of a cutting oriented stylist with little hand protection, too many holes in that game (not talking about Musashi level of fencing, obviously, lol). A good dagger works much like a buckler and can injure without large motion. Most useful for indoor/confined spaces training, where prominent footwork and wide cuts are somewhat impeded and close play is rather common. Attachments:
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Post by kristian on Jun 10, 2019 18:35:11 GMT
Thanks for the replies, guys. Interested to see how this goes. I've been thinking about getting the Book of the Five Rings, too. I also want to try some of the European styles, especially sword and dagger.
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