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Post by joeybones on Jun 2, 2019 19:47:18 GMT
Considering the piercing ability of the Rondel style dagger ( I currently do not own one) how effective might it be against a Kevlar vest ?
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Jun 2, 2019 20:03:57 GMT
Kevlar vests are not very stab resistant unless specifically sold as having a stab/spike rating, which is often achieved with a steel mesh liner. A committed stab with most relatively pointy knives will penetrate them.
Of course, no vest will protect your arms, neck, face, groin, lower belly, or inner thighs, which are all likely targets for knife attacks.
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Post by howler on Jun 2, 2019 23:22:55 GMT
Considering the piercing ability of the Rondel style dagger ( I currently do not own one) how effective might it be against a Kevlar vest ? Cold Steel (through Special Projects) is offering a Rondel, which I currently own, on closeout for $49.95. Extremely durable piercing power for the weight.
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Post by joeybones on Jun 2, 2019 23:30:54 GMT
Thanks Howler . I was about to pull the trigger on that Rondel this morning , but I found a deal on the Cold Steel MAA Arming sword for $150.37 shipped . A place called "Outfitter Warehouse". I found a 13% off coupon with google .
The web site said there was one in stock. I hope it was right .
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Post by howler on Jun 3, 2019 7:00:20 GMT
Thanks Howler . I was about to pull the trigger on that Rondel this morning , but I found a deal on the Cold Steel MAA Arming sword for $150.37 shipped . A place called "Outfitter Warehouse". I found a 13% off coupon with google . The web site said there was one in stock. I hope it was right . Great price for that sword. I bought the Arming dagger for $75.99 shipped. Cold Steel is also offering the Holdout l serrated folder with six inch blade for around $75, and that is a great deal for that great steel, and I'm thinking of getting it.
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Jun 3, 2019 17:29:34 GMT
Just why are you wanting to penetrate kevlar, buy the vest aren't made of kevlar anymore.
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Post by randomnobody on Jun 3, 2019 19:12:48 GMT
I would say that simply based on the thickness and cross-section of a rondel that it would not penetrate a kevlar vest as easy as something like the Crkt hissatsu or the cold steel tai pan or other nasty fighting knives with actual proper geometries. I mean, rondels come in a few different shapes and sizes, but every one is an actual, proper geometry. Though I would agree they're not great for modern armor, which is meant to dissipate the energy of a bullet rather than a blade. That's not to say you couldn't get a rondel into the gaps, or wherever kevlar isn't covering and still make a mess. That said, in a modern environment, a modern knife geometry (wait, is that even a thing?) would likely be more effective. But kevlar and most other modern armors aren't really meant for blade safety.
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Post by juster on Jun 3, 2019 20:00:24 GMT
Rondel daggers have a wide variety of blades, and body armor is highly variable. So some rondel daggers would penetrate some body armor, since the shape of the handguard and pommel don't have much to do with it. Although we probably imagine a spike-style blade. This guy uses a spikey dagger vs Level II Kevlar: The Fairbairn–Sykes is the only thing that goes thru in the above video.
The Cold Steel Gladius won't penetrate some vests (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDwlBCcSWV8), which surprised me, presumably it would penetrate some kind of body armor.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Jun 3, 2019 20:17:15 GMT
I have a Tod Cutler 15th century rondel dagger, and I'm a big fan of the blade on it. IMO, it's just the right combination of slimline shape to easily insert into armour gaps and between ribs, and thicc enough to really torque like a pry bar without fear of it bending or breaking. The blade is also long enough to reach most people's heart from below the sternum. I'm a firm believer in quality over quantity, and the daggers offered from Tod Cutler are some of the best available at their price point. Here is a link: todcutler.com/collections/medieval-daggers-and-large-knives
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Post by howler on Jun 3, 2019 20:39:30 GMT
I have a Tod Cutler 15th century rondel dagger, and I'm a big fan of the blade on it. IMO, it's just the right combination of slimline shape to easily insert into armour gaps and between ribs, and thicc enough to really torque like a pry bar without fear of it bending or breaking. The blade is also long enough to reach most people's heart from below the sternum. I'm a firm believer in quality over quantity, and the daggers offered from Tod Cutler are some of the best available at their price point. Here is a link: todcutler.com/collections/medieval-daggers-and-large-knivesThat is the interesting thing about rondel daggers, the ability to grab, press and manipulate like a pry mar without it breaking or cutting your hands up when pressing into gaps like a standard double edged dagger.
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Post by markus313 on Jun 3, 2019 20:58:28 GMT
I also had two of those Tod Cutler 15th Century rondel daggers. Very well made, nice blade shape. That being said, I bend the tip of one of those stabbing/prying on some wooden block (imagine stabbing a skull, for example). Still a good weapon nonetheless.
I did quite a bit of stabbing tests with various blades on various targets/materials. The thin and slender “FS”-type designs always fared best, but are also fragile. The best compromise I found in a Windlass Primitive Scottish Dirk (which also got bend a bit). Nice thing is it also is a fairly good choppper (considering the blade shape).
After filing down the sides, the grip works equally well in a reverse/ice-pick or forward grip. Don’t know about penetrating Kevlar, though.
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