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Post by Silent on Jun 2, 2019 20:30:28 GMT
What is happening with the world? And don't tell me gun control is the solution. We've had guns for 800 years and this sort of thing never happened. There is something wrong with the humans.This last part says it all.....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2019 22:10:58 GMT
My unanswered question is: where were the literally 2 or 300 cops that are always around, being as how the next building over is Police HQ and nobody dares to speed down the road because you will get a ticket 100% guaranteed? Why didn't the city planners plan for an event like this when it's happened in other places? It makes me angry because now the draconian response will surely happen in which the people who had nothing to do with the crime will be the ones punished for it. And that means me. I'll be punished for what this a-hole did. I was just leaving work to go camping for the weekend, I had nothing to do with it. We had an instance in a town cafe just the other night. There was no loss of life and shooting likely not to occur in this sleepy ville of 5000. A group of motorcycle enthusiasts refused to remove their cuts n colors (bar rules, no colors), the proprietor (or someone) dialed 911. Response was within minutes with town, local towns and state police there within minutes. The response partly due to an earlier larger multi bust regarding a motorcycle group. Parry that with another local group of patriot riders that just raised $6000 that same day. A standoff at the cafe with firearms not likely, as the locality is of quite well armed citizenry but a physical brawl or property damaged avoided in the end. Even that small event went on for many hours and to dawn. It was obviously more than just a visit to the cafe, so something else needed investigation. The "going postal" for whatever reason is something anticipated by many these days. Even in my own years of employment decades ago and my making a joke at one point. I had been observed ever since and met with security when I went to deliver my severance paperwork. Condolences to those affected throughout these instances and although the cafe instance here will eventually make the state level news, there is so much everyone needs to be aware of and inevitably unable at times to stop crime and violence anywhere.
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Post by RufusScorpius on Jun 2, 2019 23:14:05 GMT
What is happening with the world? And don't tell me gun control is the solution. We've had guns for 800 years and this sort of thing never happened. There is something wrong with the humans.And even the dreaded Ar-15 was available to the public since the 1960's and there wasn't this kind of poo happening nearly as much. Fortunately, the a-hole used pistols and not the AR15. And he wasn't the "usual suspect profile" if you know what I mean, or you know the news would have lead off with those facts. He was recently fired from his job, and now we see why. It's not the tool. If it were, then Britain wouldn't be trying to ban kitchen knives right now. It's the person. It's something wrong with the way people are thinking. We need to spend our energies trying to fix the root cause of the problem instead of collectively punishing the innocent and banning tools. England is a very real example of how banning a tool only causes the criminal to select other tools. Tools aren't evil, people are.
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Post by howler on Jun 3, 2019 0:04:38 GMT
And even the dreaded Ar-15 was available to the public since the 1960's and there wasn't this kind of poo happening nearly as much. Fortunately, the a-hole used pistols and not the AR15. And he wasn't the "usual suspect profile" if you know what I mean, or you know the news would have lead off with those facts. He was recently fired from his job, and now we see why. It's not the tool. If it were, then Britain wouldn't be trying to ban kitchen knives right now. It's the person. It's something wrong with the way people are thinking. We need to spend our energies trying to fix the root cause of the problem instead of collectively punishing the innocent and banning tools. England is a very real example of how banning a tool only causes the criminal to select other tools. Tools aren't evil, people are. I heard a lot of focus is now on silencers. Interestingly, I understand silencers were banned during the Great Depression because of the fear of covertly poaching livestock. Any excuse some people can latch onto, evidently, to attain their goals.
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Post by RufusScorpius on Jun 3, 2019 0:10:18 GMT
Suppressors, not silencers. And that had jack doodley squat to do with preventing the shooting. If anything, suppressors should be mandatory because they protect hearing. They certainly don't make a gun silent like in Hollywood movies, it just reduces the pitch of the noise so you don't damage your hearing. And what of it anyway? anybody can make a suppressor out of a soup can and some steel wool- banning them won't stop people from making them out of easily obtainable household items.
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Jun 3, 2019 0:20:26 GMT
Spree killings are not a new problem by any stretch of the imagination; consider the Texas Tower incident in the 1960s. It is true that they are more frequent now than last century, despite easy access to guns in the U.S. the whole time. I personally think the infamy and precedent of previous shooters like the Columbine pair has led to many copycats following to preestablished pattern of going "active shooter".
But I'm not God or a social worker, so all I can do is try to be personally better prepared to react if I get caught up in such an event.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 0:27:50 GMT
Suppressors, not silencers. And that had jack doodley squat to do with preventing the shooting. If anything, suppressors should be mandatory because they protect hearing. They certainly don't make a gun silent like in Hollywood movies, it just reduces the pitch of the noise so you don't damage your hearing. And what of it anyway? anybody can make a suppressor out of a soup can and some steel wool- banning them won't stop people from making them out of easily obtainable household items. Suppressors are more common in Europe , strangely enough,used in hunting. www.quora.com/Which-European-country-allows-to-buy-a-gun-suppressorThe faint phfft sound of a suppressed pistol is Hollywood fantasy.
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Post by howler on Jun 3, 2019 1:45:06 GMT
Suppressors, not silencers. And that had jack doodley squat to do with preventing the shooting. If anything, suppressors should be mandatory because they protect hearing. They certainly don't make a gun silent like in Hollywood movies, it just reduces the pitch of the noise so you don't damage your hearing. And what of it anyway? anybody can make a suppressor out of a soup can and some steel wool- banning them won't stop people from making them out of easily obtainable household items. Agree completely. Used generic term, but suppressor is far more accurate (how can such a thing truly be COMPLETELY silent). But it wont stop people who dislike certain "tools" from spouting another talking point in order to increase the pile of regulatory red tape which leads to virtual, then actual banishment.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 2:03:36 GMT
Yes, how very fortunate he used pistols... Are you guys actually able to hear yourselves?
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Post by RufusScorpius on Jun 3, 2019 2:03:36 GMT
I apologize if I seemed rude. Everybody here is on pins and needles. This shooting is the kind of thing that happens "somewhere else". But now it's all to real for us.
And now comes the talking heads that don't live here that will try to force their ways on us without understanding the first thing about life in the 757. We all have guns. All of us (although mine were lost in a boating accident last summer). This kind of thing just doesn't happen...until now.
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Post by RufusScorpius on Jun 3, 2019 2:08:40 GMT
Yes, how very fortunate he used pistols... Are you guys actually able to hear yourselves? Yes, because if he used an AR 15 they would blame that and it would lead-in to the news story. Because somehow being killed by a pistol (with a suppressor- as if that makes it more dangerous) isn't as newsworthy as being killed by an AR 15. Any mention of the weapon besides what I just told you? Thought not. Description of the suspect? Nothing, but we have his photo anyways. Now we will hear the bleating of the voices wanting to ban suppressors- for some reason outside of logic. The news lies, distorts, and omits whatever they deem outside of their narrative. That is why I take everything they say with a grain of salt, then independently verify and question everything I'm told. Somewhere there is truth, seldom can it be found in the media.
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Post by howler on Jun 3, 2019 2:18:06 GMT
Yes, how very fortunate he used pistols... Are you guys actually able to hear yourselves? Yes, because if he used an AR 15 they would blame that and it would lead-in to the news story. Because somehow being killed by a pistol (with a suppressor- as if that makes it more dangerous) isn't as newsworthy as being killed by an AR 15. Any mention of the weapon besides what I just told you? Thought not. Description of the suspect? Nothing, but we have his photo anyways. Now we will hear the bleating of the voices wanting to ban suppressors- for some reason outside of logic. The news lies, distorts, and omits whatever they deem outside of their narrative. That is why I take everything they say with a grain of salt, then independently verify and question everything I'm told. Somewhere there is truth, seldom can it be found in the media. Yup, we shall now get multiple articles on the evils of suppressors. Homicide wise, the big statistical issue is gangs.
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Post by howler on Jun 3, 2019 2:27:02 GMT
Yes, how very fortunate he used pistols... Are you guys actually able to hear yourselves? A murdered person is still a murdered person, and all must remember that. Hopefully, most people (like myself) viewed his statement through a different political (grandstanding/overregulation) prism.
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Post by tensho on Jun 3, 2019 2:42:52 GMT
Suppressors, not silencers. Silencer is actually the Legal definition. And what it was originally called when designed by Maxim.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jun 3, 2019 5:29:10 GMT
Yes, how very fortunate he used pistols... Are you guys actually able to hear yourselves? I would think, being raised around guns and shooting them, one could do more damage with the AR 15 and some magazines than some pistols based on caliber difference alone. Obviously it's a terrible thing. No one is saying the shooting is a fortunate thing in and of itself or in any other context at all unless I missed it.
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Post by howler on Jun 3, 2019 6:46:44 GMT
Yes, how very fortunate he used pistols... Are you guys actually able to hear yourselves? I would think, being raised around guns and shooting them, one could do more damage with the AR 15 and some magazines than some pistols based on caliber difference alone. Obviously it's a terrible thing. No one is saying the shooting is a fortunate thing in and of itself or in any other context at all unless I missed it.
Generally speaking, one could certainly do more offensive damage, but also defensive damage against both home invaders & potential future tyrannical govt. entities (the reason for the 2nd A). The creep who did the V Tech. college murders a dozen years ago (over 30 dead) also used a couple pistols.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 10:50:11 GMT
Generally speaking it's also fortunate he didn't kill 13+ people but that's still an incredibly bizarre way of putting it.
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Post by howler on Jun 3, 2019 19:13:45 GMT
Generally speaking it's also fortunate he didn't kill 13+ people but that's still an incredibly bizarre way of putting it. Specifically speaking, lots of heroism in keeping the tragedy from being even worse. Many issues at play when these incidents occur, tragic loss, mental illness, gun control (pro & con), nihilistic detachment of society in internet age, good and evil, etc...no easy solutions.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 19:26:02 GMT
Generally speaking it's also fortunate he didn't kill 13+ people but that's still an incredibly bizarre way of putting it. Specifically speaking, lots of heroism in keeping the tragedy from being even worse. Many issues at play when these incidents occur, tragic loss, mental illness, gun control (pro & con), nihilistic detachment of society in internet age, good and evil, etc...no easy solutions. There absolutely was, I was just reading about a person who got some folks tucked away and instead of staying put with them went back out to see if anyone else needed help. A shame for anyone to be hurt or killed, especially the kind of person who tries to put the well being of others first. Very sad. Also sad to see worries about the kinds of toys one can buy being a pressing concern, and worries about how an inanimate object is being portrayed in the face of actual human suffering.
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Jun 3, 2019 19:52:17 GMT
You know...we're not the only group of folks saying the world is going down hill... I mean, Rome, Pretty much any generation in America since we've had new papers...Medieval Europe...pick your age, I mean the list goes on. I think we like to complain personally.
*shakes fist at whipper-snappers*
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