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Post by admin on May 30, 2019 3:43:56 GMT
One final follow up, they stand behind their products 100% and that is one of the reasons I have stuck by them all these years. I wont mention the product lines, but I had to drop two well known and popular sword lines because the company reps behind them did not stand behind their products and seemed not to care about their customers when an issue arose.
Still, haters will hate - but if you are going to hate or make claims, be prepared to back them up - make an appointment and go down and see them in action!!
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Post by reptaronice1 on May 30, 2019 3:52:49 GMT
Uh oh, new guy wants to know about a DSA fantasy sword *runs away to bury self and weather the incoming storm* And that is how it starts..
I mentioned this in a previous thread on DSA - someone asks an innocent question and the first post sets the tone for confrontation and a downhill discussion..
KNOWN ISSUES
Some years ago Darksword Armory was embroiled in a controversy on the Sword Forum International. Complaints were brought up by a few individuals, words were exchanged, and DSA and Eyal left the table with an injured reputation that lasted for a few years. Recently with their partnership with SBG more light has been shone on this situation.
Here is a statement from DSA about the incidents:
“We started getting bad reviews from SFI forum by two members, one of them who purchased a 35$ apprentice made dagger, and from another user who had never purchased a sword from our company. Their comments resulted in a “snowball” effect on the SFI, resulting in about 20 different posts. We obviously took the reviews very seriously and took appropriate steps to find the source of the reviews, the reason behind them, and to correct the problem. After several days of research we found that the second author was actually a competitor of ours, also located in Montreal. The review was written after we received our first order from ARMA, who had initially ordered their swords from our competitor, but after an ARMA member purchased one of our swords, the group decided to switch over. His reviews were specifically intended to curb our activities (but failed).”
Since then, some controversy has raged on internet sword forums challenging the claim that the swords are actually hand made in Canada. While initially reluctant due to a break in and theft of all materials from the forge many years ago, Darksword eventually responded to this claim releasing several videos documenting the shop and it’s equipment, yet still some protagonists are not satisfied.
The most recent controversy has had to do with their tangs - and it is true that older models were a bit on the thin side, but were within historical tolerances. The main issue may actually have been one of modern demands for more robust tangs as standard, so in response they have beefed up their tangs - and are showing pictures of the tangs on their site - something no other sword manufacturer has had to do. Yet despite all this, vicious rumors still persist..
 Related Article: The Infamous Darksword Tang IssueAll controversies aside, the swords themselves may have some grind marks, hammer marks, blade misalignment or other cosmetic defects that do not truly effect performance – however the most common complaint currently is to do with their sharpening service. By default, Darksword Armory swords come unsharpened, however the in-house sharpening service is considered by many sword enthusiasts as rudimentary at best to totally ineffective at its worst and often requires additional sharpening to be able to cut standard lightweight targets such as water filled bottles, tatami, etc. Trust me mod im done with any confrontation on my posts lol. It seems they have a rough past and seem a bit shady to me but in the end it is up to the buyer. |
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Post by reptaronice1 on May 30, 2019 3:54:27 GMT
One final follow up, they stand behind their products 100% and that is one of the reasons I have stuck by them all these years. I wont mention the product lines, but I had to drop two well known and popular sword lines because the company reps behind them did not stand behind their products and seemed not to care about their customers when an issue arose. Still, haters will hate - but if you are going to hate or make claims, be prepared to back them up - make an appointment and go down and see them in action!! That is like swords of northshire. Be it what they may have done before, they stand behind their product and have amazing costumer service so far. If my sword box does not get to me then that will change but for now I give them benefit of the doubt. |
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Post by csills2313 on May 31, 2019 21:04:57 GMT
Buy it. I think you will be really pleased. I know I was pleased with my purchase from DSA.
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Post by joeybones on Jun 1, 2019 10:44:34 GMT
I am not a big fan of the fantasy type blades. Something like this would have appealed to me when I was 14.
I have seen the videos of the tang issues and one photo of one tang is not convincing enough for me to buy one.
But if that sword floats your boat , by all means buy one .
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Post by kaiyo on Jun 1, 2019 11:29:47 GMT
back to the sword itself, i liked the previous design:  |
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Post by reptaronice1 on Jun 1, 2019 13:33:24 GMT
back to the sword itself, i liked the previous design: that sword is gorgeous |
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Post by reptaronice1 on Jun 1, 2019 13:34:03 GMT
I am not a big fan of the fantasy type blades. Something like this would have appealed to me when I was 14. I have seen the videos of the tang issues and one photo of one tang is not convincing enough for me to buy one. But if that sword floats your boat , by all means buy one . if the tang is alright, otherwise it is a no go |
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Post by mpsmith47304 on Jun 1, 2019 15:16:51 GMT
That’s a classic example of what I don’t like about DSA. Nearly 5 pounds for a 36-inch blade? Nuts. The execution of the hilt looks clunky. The guard could be more refined and not as chunky, and the grip looks rather too round. The blade needs to lose some mass as well. I don’t hate the concept, though.
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Post by Darth Paunch on Jun 1, 2019 15:36:55 GMT
I am not a big fan of the fantasy type blades. Something like this would have appealed to me when I was 14. I have seen the videos of the tang issues and one photo of one tang is not convincing enough for me to buy one. But if that sword floats your boat , by all means buy one . if the tang is alright, otherwise it is a no go Go buy it. Make sure you have a good insurance though. Go search on Youtube "DSA fail" or "Einar fail"... those cases are NOT from 7 or 8 years ago. Ask Wes Beem on facebook or in here what he found under the hood on the two NEWER DSA swords he has been asked to work over. Visit this: savagesteel.blogspot.com/2017/01/should-i-buy-swords-from-darksword.html There are slight, SLIGHT signs they might have gotten better... but does that justify buying from a vendor whos snake oiling advertising and sales practice made him right away (in)famous? I had 5(!) swords of them from 2013 on, and every single one was a lemon. The only one i kept was my Guardian for its looks - i NEVER would trust this sword to cut with! NEVER! I dont have to provide backup or proof; my wasted money was proof enough - for me! This is the one big talking point i NEVER would withdraw from or back off, no matter what threads maybe uttered at me. |
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Post by Darth Paunch on Jun 1, 2019 15:53:44 GMT
One final follow up, they stand behind their products 100% and that is one of the reasons I have stuck by them all these years. I wont mention the product lines, but I had to drop two well known and popular sword lines because the company reps behind them did not stand behind their products and seemed not to care about their customers when an issue arose. Still, haters will hate - but if you are going to hate or make claims, be prepared to back them up - make an appointment and go down and see them in action!! Paul (if i may)... i am very fond of what immense work you do with this site and what kind of personal risks and sacrifices you are willing to give. Really. But i completely fail to see the reason why you still are supporting and defending those guys so hard. It kinda... hurts me. Bad feelings and thoughts seep in every time i am reading something like this. You SHOULD know there was a lot more going on in the not-so-long ago times... |
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Post by csills2313 on Jun 1, 2019 16:35:10 GMT
People should not dwell in the past as it is counter productive and should not hate because it reveals how shallow and selfish you are
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Post by nerdthenord on Jun 1, 2019 16:59:51 GMT
I like my DSA Excalibur well enough, for what it’s worth. My experience with DSA was very positive. However, I don’t buy that it’s limited edition for a second anymore.
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Post by nerdthenord on Jun 1, 2019 17:33:49 GMT
Honestly, there are a few DSA designs I really like and want, so it’s nice to see that they are largely over their dark age. I may get one of their fantasy two handed Viking swords eventually. All I meant is that people still remember their dark age and tempers still get hot on both sides whenever they are brought up.
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Post by elbrittania39 on Jun 1, 2019 17:58:22 GMT
From a purely personal standpoint, I dont like the synthetic ahistorical look of their products. Everything looks overly polished and artificially molded and la ks that historical authenticity I like in my swords. Companies like Albion and Lockwood cater more to my desire to recreate museum pieces as closely as possible.
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Post by reptaronice1 on Jun 1, 2019 18:34:32 GMT
I may buy it eventually, let me get the huawei stuff cleared up first.
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Post by Siward on Jun 1, 2019 19:14:30 GMT
That’s a classic example of what I don’t like about DSA. Nearly 5 pounds for a 36-inch blade? Nuts. The execution of the hilt looks clunky. The guard could be more refined and not as chunky, and the grip looks rather too round. The blade needs to lose some mass as well. I don’t hate the concept, though. Umm, what about Albion’s Conan swords ? |
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Post by Siward on Jun 1, 2019 19:17:42 GMT
One final follow up, they stand behind their products 100% and that is one of the reasons I have stuck by them all these years. I wont mention the product lines, but I had to drop two well known and popular sword lines because the company reps behind them did not stand behind their products and seemed not to care about their customers when an issue arose. Still, haters will hate - but if you are going to hate or make claims, be prepared to back them up - make an appointment and go down and see them in action!! Paul (if i may)... i am very fond of what immense work you do with this site and what kind of personal risks and sacrifices you are willing to give. Really. But i completely fail to see the reason why you still are supporting and defending those guys so hard. It kinda... hurts me. Bad feelings and thoughts seep in every time i am reading something like this. You SHOULD know there was a lot more going on in the not-so-long ago times... Well to be fair you had 5 DSA, all lemons, and I have 3 DSA, none lemons. I’m not saying your experience is invalid merely that others have had a different experience |
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Post by Siward on Jun 1, 2019 19:24:31 GMT
People should not dwell in the past as it is counter productive and should not hate because it reveals how shallow and selfish you are 100% agree |
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Post by elbrittania39 on Jun 1, 2019 19:29:40 GMT
That’s a classic example of what I don’t like about DSA. Nearly 5 pounds for a 36-inch blade? Nuts. The execution of the hilt looks clunky. The guard could be more refined and not as chunky, and the grip looks rather too round. The blade needs to lose some mass as well. I don’t hate the concept, though. Umm, what about Albion’s Conan swords ? For what it's worth, I don't like Albions fantasy swords either lol. |
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