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Post by reptaronice1 on May 9, 2019 23:39:59 GMT
It may be. I've never had that one so I don't know. This is all just kind of academic stuff so that you'll have a more well rounded set of knowledge and considerations when buying in the future. Knowing things like the difference in geometries, the effects or weight and PoB and such will give you the tools you need to accurately imagine how a sword will handle. You'll also grow into your preferences. I wanted a big, heavy cutter for my first sword(being a samurai movie lover and anime nerd). Turns out I don't like big heavy cutters so much as lively, agile blades. You might be the opposite and find out you like the burly choppers and light/average swords feel like toys to you. All part of the experience. I feel like most of my 1045 are lighter but then again idk how the 9260 will feel yet so we will see . I think it is one of those things you will know once you get it in your hands
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Post by reptaronice1 on May 9, 2019 23:43:03 GMT
Very much reality; a rather gruesome practice but it did have pragmatic merits. And nice pick, that one will be plenty lively thanks to the fullers livening the blade up. You get a sturdy blade with plenty of niku, 9260 steel to practice with. Excellent choice all around. Should be one heck of a fun blade to practice cutting with. Plus having a slightly heavier blade to train with is a great way to reinforce muscle memory and train your reflexes. It's also a useful trick to help you go nice and slow and not get all wild and crazy with swords as you're starting out. It worked for me, so I'm a fan of the approach. That is what i am hoping to train myself I am excited to use a heavier feeling blade as well. Now I just need to get the guts to take the beauty out of the sheath and cut with it XD. I think im gonna display it for a bit while I practice with my 1045 musha and then eventually start using my 1060 and work up to my 9260 lol.
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Post by reptaronice1 on May 9, 2019 23:43:47 GMT
Yup, exactly. Well, maybe not including the Wind and Thunder, but that's a whole different animal haha
We'll asterisk that, hahaha.
*except for the Wind and Thunder.
What do you guys mean by the wind and thunder?
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Post by reptaronice1 on May 9, 2019 23:46:08 GMT
Very much reality; a rather gruesome practice but it did have pragmatic merits. And nice pick, that one will be plenty lively thanks to the fullers livening the blade up. You get a sturdy blade with plenty of niku, 9260 steel to practice with. Excellent choice all around. Should be one heck of a fun blade to practice cutting with. Plus having a slightly heavier blade to train with is a great way to reinforce muscle memory and train your reflexes. It's also a useful trick to help you go nice and slow and not get all wild and crazy with swords as you're starting out. It worked for me, so I'm a fan of the approach. So what are some lighter blades then im interested in those as well.
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Post by Adrian Jordan on May 9, 2019 23:58:05 GMT
The Wind and Thunder is just a model that Hanwei makes. It's a beast.
Huawei's Unokubi-zukuri is very light. Maybe even a bit overly light. Gorgeous blade, though.
The Hanwei Practical and Practical Plus are very lively. I have a Practical Plus and it's probably my favorite katana at the moment.
Munetoshi has their Water Dragon and Lion Dog models(formerly sold under the brand name "Jubei") at Swordnarmory. They are very lively swords as well. Price is around the same as a Musashi Shirakawa, but I'd say the quality is very slightly higher.
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Post by reptaronice1 on May 10, 2019 0:22:17 GMT
The Wind and Thunder is just a model that Hanwei makes. It's a beast. Huawei's Unokubi-zukuri is very light. Maybe even a bit overly light. Gorgeous blade, though. The Hanwei Practical and Practical Plus are very lively. I have a Practical Plus and it's probably my favorite katana at the moment. Munetoshi has their Water Dragon and Lion Dog models(formerly sold under the brand name "Jubei") at Swordnarmory. They are very lively swords as well. Price is around the same as a Musashi Shirakawa, but I'd say the quality is very slightly higher. U mean the unokubi zukuri hishi gami for 270$? I have seen the practical series and they look pretty cool as well!
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Post by reptaronice1 on May 10, 2019 0:24:55 GMT
The Wind and Thunder is just a model that Hanwei makes. It's a beast. Huawei's Unokubi-zukuri is very light. Maybe even a bit overly light. Gorgeous blade, though. The Hanwei Practical and Practical Plus are very lively. I have a Practical Plus and it's probably my favorite katana at the moment. Munetoshi has their Water Dragon and Lion Dog models(formerly sold under the brand name "Jubei") at Swordnarmory. They are very lively swords as well. Price is around the same as a Musashi Shirakawa, but I'd say the quality is very slightly higher. That wind and thunder looks heavier than the one I bought!
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Post by Adrian Jordan on May 10, 2019 0:25:19 GMT
Yep, that's the one.
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Post by reptaronice1 on May 10, 2019 0:27:50 GMT
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Post by Adrian Jordan on May 10, 2019 0:36:52 GMT
I did. Wound up giving it to my brother for his birthday last year. Really kind of regret it now, hahaha.
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Post by reptaronice1 on May 10, 2019 0:41:16 GMT
I did. Wound up giving it to my brother for his birthday last year. Really kind of regret it now, hahaha. Does sword collecting run in your family? All my uncles and aunts think im crazy because of all the swords I have XD but my younger cousins love them (With supervision of course!)
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Post by zabazagobo on May 10, 2019 0:58:58 GMT
Very much reality; a rather gruesome practice but it did have pragmatic merits. And nice pick, that one will be plenty lively thanks to the fullers livening the blade up. You get a sturdy blade with plenty of niku, 9260 steel to practice with. Excellent choice all around. Should be one heck of a fun blade to practice cutting with. Plus having a slightly heavier blade to train with is a great way to reinforce muscle memory and train your reflexes. It's also a useful trick to help you go nice and slow and not get all wild and crazy with swords as you're starting out. It worked for me, so I'm a fan of the approach. So what are some lighter blades then im interested in those as well. I'll rattle off some of my favorites, assuming we're just sticking with katana. My current favorite (it was love at first draw) is the Hanwei Orchid. I lucked out and the one I received is flawless, no saya rattle or anything. Insanely light weight (just 2 lb 4 oz) and has a very nice feeling tsuka. I will be buying a secound sooner rather than later. My 30th anniversary Musashi by Hanwei is pretty light, with a very peculiar aspect of force to it's balance. It's a very unique feeling sword, feels floaty but heavy at the same time, quite different than the Orchid. A very interesting one to handle. Also, my Bushido by Hanwei, which if I had to guess is roughly 2 lb 11 oz or so, feels pretty nimble and very lightweight since it has this appreciably thick tsuba which counterbalances the blade perfectly. It's a blast to handle, and has a nice amount of authority in the swing despite being a bit heavier than the previous two. Aside from the ito issues, still one of my favorite swords. It's impressive how perceived vs. actual weight can be influenced by counterbalancing the blade's mass in the hilt/tsuka, and another fun design feature to consider.
Other favorites are a handful from Huawei: their unokubi is excellent, their kanmuri-otoshi is sublime, and their shobu zukuri is phenomenal as well. All very light, responsive blades with significantly less weight than the usual shinogi zukuri you see in the production market. The unokubi has more forward mass sensation since it flares at the tip, whereas the shobu and kanmuri otoshi both feel balanced much closer back to the hand. All three are a blast to handle. I've typed up reviews for the unokubi zukuri and kanmuri otoshi, I've attached the links below. Their shobu is very finely tapered, takes a very fine needle like tip and is exceptional at thrusting from my experience. All three are easily below 2.5 lbs, I'd guess the shobu and kanmuri might be as light as 2 lb 5 oz based on how they handle.
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Post by Adrian Jordan on May 10, 2019 1:06:53 GMT
Issues with family? Not really.
No one really cares either way save for my next younger brother Elliott and my nephew Quentin. Elliott likes swords and so I've given him I think 3 or 4. I've given Quentin 2. Neither is interested to the degree I am, though. It's more of just a superficial "Swerdz is kool!" thing for them, which is just fine so long as they properly treat the swords. The rest aren't interested at all. My parents both know I love knives and swords and have since I was a little kid, and that I'm not a moron with handling them. One plus of being a responsible kid is that I could get to do and have certain things earlier than others. I've collected and carried knives since I was 9 or 10(about 25 years ago), so it's a non issue to those that know me.
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Post by reptaronice1 on May 10, 2019 3:04:28 GMT
So what are some lighter blades then im interested in those as well. I'll rattle off some of my favorites, assuming we're just sticking with katana. My current favorite (it was love at first draw) is the Hanwei Orchid. I lucked out and the one I received is flawless, no saya rattle or anything. Insanely light weight (just 2 lb 4 oz) and has a very nice feeling tsuka. I will be buying a secound sooner rather than later. My 30th anniversary Musashi by Hanwei is pretty light, with a very peculiar aspect of force to it's balance. It's a very unique feeling sword, feels floaty but heavy at the same time, quite different than the Orchid. A very interesting one to handle. Also, my Bushido by Hanwei, which if I had to guess is roughly 2 lb 11 oz or so, feels pretty nimble and very lightweight since it has this appreciably thick tsuba which counterbalances the blade perfectly. It's a blast to handle, and has a nice amount of authority in the swing despite being a bit heavier than the previous two. Aside from the ito issues, still one of my favorite swords. It's impressive how perceived vs. actual weight can be influenced by counterbalancing the blade's mass in the hilt/tsuka, and another fun design feature to consider.
Other favorites are a handful from Huawei: their unokubi is excellent, their kanmuri-otoshi is sublime, and their shobu zukuri is phenomenal as well. All very light, responsive blades with significantly less weight than the usual shinogi zukuri you see in the production market. The unokubi has more forward mass sensation since it flares at the tip, whereas the shobu and kanmuri otoshi both feel balanced much closer back to the hand. All three are a blast to handle. I've typed up reviews for the unokubi zukuri and kanmuri otoshi, I've attached the links below. Their shobu is very finely tapered, takes a very fine needle like tip and is exceptional at thrusting from my experience. All three are easily below 2.5 lbs, I'd guess the shobu and kanmuri might be as light as 2 lb 5 oz based on how they handle.
No more! Do not tempt me! XD I kid. They are gorgeous. I like the zukuri katana and would like one eventually as my "lighter cutter" I now need to buy some tatami mats or somethign cheap I can cut lol. (I usually hack boxes)
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Post by reptaronice1 on May 10, 2019 3:10:01 GMT
Issues with family? Not really.
No one really cares either way save for my next younger brother Elliott and my nephew Quentin. Elliott likes swords and so I've given him I think 3 or 4. I've given Quentin 2. Neither is interested to the degree I am, though. It's more of just a superficial "Swerdz is kool!" thing for them, which is just fine so long as they properly treat the swords. The rest aren't interested at all. My parents both know I love knives and swords and have since I was a little kid, and that I'm not a moron with handling them. One plus of being a responsible kid is that I could get to do and have certain things earlier than others. I've collected and carried knives since I was 9 or 10(about 25 years ago), so it's a non issue to those that know me. Same with me. My dad gave me a pocket knife at 7 years old and I never cut myself with that knife. Now with some others for sure I have but never anything bad and never with a sword. Worst I actually cut myself was down to the bone on my index finger with a bow saw Haha. Never cut myself all that bad with a knife. My neighbor is kinda jerky about us owning guns and such for some reason but beside that. I actually gave my cousin, (he is 14) a few pocket knives and a replica dagger. But he is the same as you said, he likes them but not to the degree that he cares all that much. They r probably lost by now.
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Post by Adrian Jordan on May 10, 2019 3:23:24 GMT
Yeah. It's good to develop good, safe practices as soon as possible. Some kids are capable of that, some aren't. Accidents still happen, but they tend to be minor when you're mindful of safety. You see or read about some of the times when people weren't paying proper attention or were being dufus' and man, I don't want no part of that. Chopped noses, stabbed feet, hands cut damn near in half...ugh. No beuno. There's also the famous cautionary tale of the Japanese guy at a cutting competition who forgot to put the mekugi back in the tsuka. He swung and the blade went flying, hit a kid who was watching and killed him.
If I have one main goal in life, it's to not become a cautionary tale.
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Post by reptaronice1 on May 10, 2019 4:04:50 GMT
Yeah. It's good to develop good, safe practices as soon as possible. Some kids are capable of that, some aren't. Accidents still happen, but they tend to be minor when you're mindful of safety. You see or read about some of the times when people weren't paying proper attention or were being dufus' and man, I don't want no part of that. Chopped noses, stabbed feet, hands cut damn near in half...ugh. No beuno. There's also the famous cautionary tale of the Japanese guy at a cutting competition who forgot to put the mekugi back in the tsuka. He swung and the blade went flying, hit a kid who was watching and killed him. If I have one main goal in life, it's to not become a cautionary tale. Yep. My dad always says that with guns "No fun is worth hurting or losing a life" sore wa suroshii desu. それは悪いです
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Post by zabazagobo on May 10, 2019 6:53:00 GMT
I'll rattle off some of my favorites, assuming we're just sticking with katana. My current favorite (it was love at first draw) is the Hanwei Orchid. I lucked out and the one I received is flawless, no saya rattle or anything. Insanely light weight (just 2 lb 4 oz) and has a very nice feeling tsuka. I will be buying a secound sooner rather than later. My 30th anniversary Musashi by Hanwei is pretty light, with a very peculiar aspect of force to it's balance. It's a very unique feeling sword, feels floaty but heavy at the same time, quite different than the Orchid. A very interesting one to handle. Also, my Bushido by Hanwei, which if I had to guess is roughly 2 lb 11 oz or so, feels pretty nimble and very lightweight since it has this appreciably thick tsuba which counterbalances the blade perfectly. It's a blast to handle, and has a nice amount of authority in the swing despite being a bit heavier than the previous two. Aside from the ito issues, still one of my favorite swords. It's impressive how perceived vs. actual weight can be influenced by counterbalancing the blade's mass in the hilt/tsuka, and another fun design feature to consider.
Other favorites are a handful from Huawei: their unokubi is excellent, their kanmuri-otoshi is sublime, and their shobu zukuri is phenomenal as well. All very light, responsive blades with significantly less weight than the usual shinogi zukuri you see in the production market. The unokubi has more forward mass sensation since it flares at the tip, whereas the shobu and kanmuri otoshi both feel balanced much closer back to the hand. All three are a blast to handle. I've typed up reviews for the unokubi zukuri and kanmuri otoshi, I've attached the links below. Their shobu is very finely tapered, takes a very fine needle like tip and is exceptional at thrusting from my experience. All three are easily below 2.5 lbs, I'd guess the shobu and kanmuri might be as light as 2 lb 5 oz based on how they handle.
No more! Do not tempt me! XD I kid. They are gorgeous. I like the zukuri katana and would like one eventually as my "lighter cutter" I now need to buy some tatami mats or somethign cheap I can cut lol. (I usually hack boxes) Well, if fast and agile is your thing wait til you try a Chinese jian. They genuinely scare me. Katana are nice and simple compared to how crazy jian get (two incredibly sharp edges means your mind is working overtime as you learn)
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Post by reptaronice1 on May 10, 2019 16:31:08 GMT
No more! Do not tempt me! XD I kid. They are gorgeous. I like the zukuri katana and would like one eventually as my "lighter cutter" I now need to buy some tatami mats or somethign cheap I can cut lol. (I usually hack boxes) Well, if fast and agile is your thing wait til you try a Chinese jian. They genuinely scare me. Katana are nice and simple compared to how crazy jian get (two incredibly sharp edges means your mind is working overtime as you learn) I really like Jian dao and wushu and stuff like that. I dont know alot about them but they are very cool. I would like in the future to get one.
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Post by addertooth on May 12, 2019 16:09:19 GMT
Rolling back to the Tsukamaki topic: Generally speaking, paying the extra $10 to $35 for Hishigami (paper triangles under the Ito (wrap)), usually results in a forge using more experienced hands to perform the Tsukamaki (wrapping the Ito). I have never got loose wrap from any forge when Hishigami was specified, including some which shall be un-named and are known for being problematic. To counter an earlier statement, my Hanbon which has Hishigami was an exceptionally tight wrap. I have had it 3 years with no movement in the Ito (wrap). I will say the Hanbon was one of their flagship models with (actual) Gyaku Kobuse lamination and with a Hazuya polish.
I will further agree that you develop the strength and stamina for whatever weight of sword you train regularly with. I was actually comfortable with far heavier swords than any commercial katana, as such, they all seem light/flowing/agile to me. I only ordered a few with Bohi, to enhance the TachiKaze (the sound the sword makes when it cuts the air). I did not get those to actually cut with. My daughter, who has trained with swords for years, does not find most swords "heavy" either.
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