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Post by Ifrit on Apr 19, 2019 8:22:09 GMT
My sword of Danu is a stout, heavy chopper. I love the thing. The only thing that rivals it's chopping is its thrust.
That being said, what would you guys recommend me to study with it? I could combine it with a targe or a buckler.. Or even another sword. Which is one I also considered.
I feel like it would pair best with a large shield. Unfortunately I don't think I'll have that for a while
What sword system would you use with it?
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Post by Timo Nieminen on Apr 19, 2019 9:58:47 GMT
Large shield only if you have to worry about incoming arrows and javelins. Otherwise, a centre-gripped roundshield of, say, 18-20" diameter should be good.
Or use a short spear in your left hand (and maybe a gauntlet to protect your hand). Long enough to outreach swords you're likely to face, but no longer than that, and as light as possible. If your opponent stays out at a distance, you'll win the poking war. So they'll try to come in, and deliver themselves into ideal chopping range.
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Post by christain on Apr 19, 2019 12:19:55 GMT
I agree with Timo on the shield. A large buckler should do well. You also might consider the Epic Armoury hand rondel that pgandy is fond of for your sword hand. I think they have them on sale at KOA.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Apr 19, 2019 14:36:00 GMT
It has a xiphos look to it, and I think it would be best served as a punishing steel tongue lashing out from under the cover of a large shield. I personally prefer center-grip shields like those of the Viking/Celtic/Gallic/Germanian style, and constructing a relatively faithful one isn't very expensive.
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Post by pgandy on Apr 19, 2019 16:37:37 GMT
Now you’ve done it, you and Timo that is. You all have the wheels in my head turning again. I think that I’ll make another round centre hold shield, it’s been on the back of my mind for some time. I think this one will be about 19” of ½” plywood w/o boss to save weight. As for a short spear; I tried the one that I have, a CS, and it is too far off balance when held near the butt. The next thing that came to my mind is to get another Windlass javelin head. Then a most unorthodox combination crossed my mind. What if a Windlass Knob Handle Sword Cane in the offhand w/rondel? I consider my number one adversary will be machete equipped with a 26” blade at the most. Enough said, I don’t want to steal the thread, but you guys have me thinking.
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Post by Ifrit on Apr 20, 2019 0:36:00 GMT
Thanks for the ideas guys. I got this list, lowest to highest of purchases:
Hand rondell Spear of sorts (light one or one with a good counter weight?) Large shield. I place the large shield last cause I would need to buy tools and find a place to use them haha. Otherwise I would be way down with that
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Post by Ifrit on Apr 20, 2019 0:45:57 GMT
Now you’ve done it, you and Timo that is. You all have the wheels in my head turning again. I think that I’ll make another round centre hold shield, it’s been on the back of my mind for some time. I think this one will be about 19” of ½” plywood w/o boss to save weight. As for a short spear; I tried the one that I have, a CS, and it is too far off balance when held near the butt. The next thing that came to my mind is to get another Windlass javelin head. Then a most unorthodox combination crossed my mind. What if a Windlass Knob Handle Sword Cane in the offhand w/rondel? I consider my number one adversary will be machete equipped with a 26” blade at the most. Enough said, I don’t want to steal the thread, but you guys have me thinking. Also feel free to share more. You always have some good ideas to share on these threads. I feel I got my answers haha
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Post by Ifrit on Apr 20, 2019 0:46:28 GMT
What. One more question. What manual should I study for these?
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Apr 20, 2019 0:57:50 GMT
For a double-edged short sword with no basket or knuckle-bow? I would use filipino martial arts as a base. You just need to pay attention to edge alignment, which escrima players don't consider, and be aware that the sword will move slower than a rattan stick would, making some strike combos translate poorly.
Off-hand checking, full range of motion chops, and defense tactics that assume your weapon hand is vulnerable will translate better to your Danu sword than, say, saber manuals.
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Post by Ifrit on Apr 20, 2019 1:11:00 GMT
For a double-edged short sword with no basket or knuckle-bow? I would use filipino martial arts as a base. You just need to pay attention to edge alignment, which escrima players don't consider, and be aware that the sword will move slower than a rattan stick would, making some strike combos translate poorly. Off-hand checking, full range of motion chops, and defense tactics that assume your weapon hand is vulnerable will translate better to your Danu sword than, say, saber manuals. Funny enough I just started practicing Kali with my bayonets. I was thinking how Danu could also be used as a giant knife in their knife arts too
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Apr 20, 2019 1:21:48 GMT
You can learn footwork and striking patterns from escrima youtube videos and then practice them on pells. You can't really learn checking or defensive blocks without a good partner. When I finally started escrima classes, some of the stuff I had learned alone, like sinawali patterns, was actually useful. It's not a total waste of time to try to teach yourself.
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Post by Timo Nieminen on Apr 20, 2019 10:26:04 GMT
What manual should I study for these? With a small shield or buckler, I.33. By itself, escrima/arnis/kali as already suggested might be a good start. But note that Danu is 1.5 to 3 times as heavy as swords of similar length which those systems were built on, and some things might not work as well due to the weight (the weight is why I recommended a shield). For more without shield: messer, especially Lecküchner. Danu is shorter and heavier than the typical messer, so again some stuff might not work as well.
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Post by leviathansteak on Apr 20, 2019 12:32:45 GMT
I'll definitely put in another mention for medieval sword & buckler systems such as I.33 or lignitzer
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Post by Ifrit on Apr 20, 2019 19:06:26 GMT
Do you guys have any recommended channels on YouTube's or specific books you like or think would work best?
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Apr 20, 2019 23:35:17 GMT
YouTube channel wmpyr comes to mind as a surprisingly good source you might not find on your own. www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=ATV000001&name=DVD+%2D+The+Messer+of+Johannes+Leck%FCchnerAgilitas Messer DVD Cold Steel fighting machete DVD Search for "escrima" or "arnis" and things like "strikes" "footwork" "blocks" "largo mano" "off hand" on youtube. You will quickly find that everybody seems to do things a little differently in different schools or traditions. You can probably find something applicable to a somewhat heavier sword without too much difficulty.
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Post by Ifrit on Apr 21, 2019 1:50:38 GMT
YouTube channel wmpyr comes to mind as a surprisingly good source you might not find on your own. www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=ATV000001&name=DVD+%2D+The+Messer+of+Johannes+Leck%FCchnerAgilitas Messer DVD Cold Steel fighting machete DVD Search for "escrima" or "arnis" and things like "strikes" "footwork" "blocks" "largo mano" "off hand" on youtube. You will quickly find that everybody seems to do things a little differently in different schools or traditions. You can probably find something applicable to a somewhat heavier sword without too much difficulty. Thanks for the recommendations. I'll look them over. I plan on making a book collection on the subjects
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Post by pgandy on Apr 21, 2019 2:16:48 GMT
These guys have a couple of videos on the pinuti, which are two of my favourites.
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Post by Ifrit on Apr 21, 2019 4:10:30 GMT
These guys have a couple of videos on the pinuti, which are two of my favourites. These are awesome videos! I need me a partner to practice these with. Those are the hard ones to find
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Post by pgandy on Apr 21, 2019 4:17:59 GMT
I need me a partner to practice these with. Those are the hard ones to find Tell me something that I don't know. I don't talk about my pinuti much but it is awesome.
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Post by christain on Apr 21, 2019 4:22:19 GMT
Try finding a longsword partner in N.E. Texas.........
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