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Post by quesderho on Mar 16, 2019 17:59:25 GMT
This article is a good explanation of California dirk (knife sword etc.) in plain text My conclusion is that, for self defense during driving, a shovel and a bloom are your only choice to keep in the car. And no matter whatever martial arts style you are in, swords are the last weapon you should master while staff is the first priority. Sorry Kendo guys. www.williamweisslaw.com/california-and-oakland-knife-law/Also, in another article that if you put a baseball bat in your car, it is better to have a baseball glove and a baseball together to avoid police to find trouble.
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Post by christain on Mar 16, 2019 18:21:48 GMT
The shovel is to bash someone with, the broom is to sweep away your tracks.
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Post by Ifrit on Mar 22, 2019 6:26:48 GMT
Good thing I live in Canada, where using a frozen fish would count as a deadly weapon
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Post by pellius on Mar 22, 2019 12:29:35 GMT
Wow.
According to the linked article, the city government of Oakland will step in an evict you from your home if you pick up a weapon charge. Brutal.
Thanks for the link.
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Post by RaylonTheDemented on Mar 22, 2019 12:35:06 GMT
Good thing I live in Canada, where using a frozen fish would count as a deadly weapon Our winter is perfect for that. A frozen fish under the driver's seat? No problem: "Mr. Officer, it was to cook later at home, I swear!"
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Mar 22, 2019 14:16:56 GMT
Even a swordfish?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 14:26:49 GMT
Man... made my WEEK! You managed to squish a smile outta me... what an EFFORT! Crazy bavarian...
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Post by pellius on Mar 22, 2019 14:58:12 GMT
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Post by joeybones on Mar 22, 2019 17:55:39 GMT
I live in NJ where just about everything is illegal.
However our Attorney General is a "SIKH" and they must carry a "KIRPAN" sword or knife on their person 24-7. I also recently found there are federal guidelines allowing the Sikhs to carry their Kirpan's into federal buildings if they are less then 2 1/2" in blade length and with special permission if they are longer.
Even the grade school children are required to carry the Kirpan and some schools have been sued (and lost) for not allowing it.
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Post by howler on Mar 22, 2019 18:10:49 GMT
Good thing I live in Canada, where using a frozen fish would count as a deadly weapon If it has to be a fish, make it a sword fish (or hammerhead shark).
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Post by howler on Mar 22, 2019 18:13:44 GMT
Darn, beat me to it, didn't read all the comments first. Mandatory Monty Python self defense instructional videos.
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Post by Ifrit on Mar 22, 2019 18:14:41 GMT
In Canada, our government expects us to bend over if we're being threatened lol. I have a little bit too much pride for that, as do many others
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Post by howler on Mar 22, 2019 18:17:56 GMT
I live in NJ where just about everything is illegal. However our Attorney General is a "SIKH" and they must carry a "KIRPAN" sword or knife on their person 24-7. I also recently found there are federal guidelines allowing the Sikhs to carry their Kirpan's into federal buildings if they are less then 2 1/2" in blade length and with special permission if they are longer. Even the grade school children are required to carry the Kirpan and some schools have been sued (and lost) for not allowing it. Wonder if edges need to be dulled and point blunted? Does it (ceremonial Kirpan) even have to be made of steel?
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Post by howler on Mar 22, 2019 18:24:28 GMT
The shovel is to bash someone with, the broom is to sweep away your tracks. Cold Steel (Spetsnaz) bladed shovels are awesome tool/weapons.
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Post by JakeH on Mar 22, 2019 19:16:24 GMT
I live in NJ where just about everything is illegal. However our Attorney General is a "SIKH" and they must carry a "KIRPAN" sword or knife on their person 24-7. I also recently found there are federal guidelines allowing the Sikhs to carry their Kirpan's into federal buildings if they are less then 2 1/2" in blade length and with special permission if they are longer. Even the grade school children are required to carry the Kirpan and some schools have been sued (and lost) for not allowing it. Wonder if edges need to be dulled and point blunted? Does it (ceremonial Kirpan) even have to be made of steel? I'm hardly an expert but here is what I recall from reading into the question and talking to Sikh friends 20 years ago when this was a hot headline topic in Canada. It depends a lot on whether you follow the letter (which most do and most legislation swirls around) or the spirit of the commandment. The letter is you are expected to carry a thing on your person which, in the most generous and expansive of all possible interpretations can be construed to represent a kirpan. A wooden replica, inaccessibility stitched into the lining of your clothes counts and is what Sikh schoolchildren do. Others carry an item that looks like a kirpan in a sheath, but is a single piece of metal. It is no more a kirpan than boxer briefs are a kachera, but it is considered, by some, to fulfil the requirement. (Which, as far as I know, boxer briefs do not) The intent is that you are meant to be usefully armed to actually defend yourself and others against peril or persecution. Something which was a significant concern when the relevant rules were coined and the source of considerable pearl-clutching by modern day rabbit people. As with all interpretation of articles of faith, the details and views vary widely with groups and levels of orthodoxy and so forth. The legal interpretation is often entirely divorced from the religious understanding too. It is not a simple topic. Perhaps we have a knowledgeable Sikh or three in the membership who can correct me wherever I have gone wrong.
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Post by bebut on Mar 23, 2019 14:21:56 GMT
Ahh, fond memories of the PRK. I once carried a can of Easy Off, but I had with a bag of groceries.
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Post by RufusScorpius on Mar 23, 2019 15:20:18 GMT
What an oppressive law! I am glad I live in Virginia where they really don't care what kind of knife you have because our cops carry guns...
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Post by christain on Mar 23, 2019 15:57:17 GMT
Ahh, fond memories of the PRK. I once carried a can of Easy Off, but I had with a bag of groceries. Long-range wasp and hornet killer spray works really well. You've got the reach, and that stuff burns like hell if it gets in someone's eyes. Here in Texas, it's a must-have on just about any outdoor work site and nobody thinks twice about it.
But...now that open blade-carry is legal in Texas.............
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Post by RufusScorpius on Mar 23, 2019 21:14:31 GMT
Open carry has always been legal where I live, with minor variations of the law over the years. As long as you aren't waving it around and threatening somebody with it, then nobody cares. In fact, nobody even notices if you have a knife on your belt or not since just about everybody has one- it's a case of being so prevalent than it becomes invisible to the average person.
It's even legal to carry a sword, but I haven't seen anybody do so. Which goes to show that just because something is legal doesn't mean people are obligated to do it. The only time you might run afoul of the law apart from making an actual threat of violence is to have something concealed other than a regular common pocket knife. "Concealed" as far as the law is concerned, means basically carrying a knife in such a way as to either prevent it's observation or to conceal in such a way as to hide what it actually is (the sword cane is an example). You can carry concealed if you have a permit of course.
I would imagine that daily carry of a sword would be so unusual that you would be bound to get questions from merchants, passersby, and police. But if everybody carried....
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