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Post by kayaker on Mar 12, 2019 2:21:43 GMT
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Post by randomnobody on Mar 12, 2019 2:51:36 GMT
Not sure about that dagger, can't recall seeing anything like it previously though it's so familiar at the same time. Next pictured is either a Russian kindjal or Persian qama. Probably the former? Finally, much to my own attention, an Afghan "Khyber knife," which goes by several other names like choora, charay, pesh kabz, though many argue those aren't really "correct," either. Another common name is Salawar Yatagan, and I've seen someone refer to them as another name that currently escapes me; I'll look it up another time. Overall, some pretty cool stuff. Not exactly priceless treasures, but nice workhorses. Not that anybody asked, but here's a few of my own "Khyber knives" for comparison to your own:
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Post by kayaker on Mar 12, 2019 3:01:51 GMT
As far as their value do you have any idea at all. Just want to know where to place them in my knife collection..either good or bad..lol
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Post by Jordan Williams on Mar 12, 2019 3:50:54 GMT
The dagger I think is a sort of 19th century or maybe early 20th knife inspired by a parrying dagger.
Or maybe a Franken dagger cobbled together from parts. The blade looks very amateurish and the grip looks like the grip of some smallsword/spadroons from the late 18th and through the 19th centuries into the 20th and the pommel piece looks like a knob from a dresser drawer. The guard looks similar to some British naval dirks from around the turn od the 18th/19th century but I am no expert at all on that subject.
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Post by randomnobody on Mar 12, 2019 3:51:00 GMT
Historic or monetary value? Neither are very high with any of these, as far as the individual pieces go. They're all pretty beaten up, as the years tend to do to things, and I assume you don't have any scabbards/sheathes for them? I'm not even sure the kindjal is particularly old, and the dagger may be an ornamental piece with no real historic counterpart for all I know. For the record, that's not much. Ultimately, while I can't speak to the dagger, I've seen kindjal and Khybers like yours on eBay between US $250-350, sometimes higher, sometimes lower. With original scabbards, they'd fetch more. As far as placement within your collection, that depends what else you have. They are antiques, or at least presumably they are, so that carries a different sort of "value" from new production or custom pieces. They won't sell as high as an Albion or ATrim, but in the right circles they're popular enough. I'd wager the Khyber around 100-150 years old, generously. I don't make a habit of assuming anything to be older unless it carries a specific date. I figure it's probably post-1850, but I really don't know. You're kindjal is maybe early 20th century? I'm by no means an expert, again, and I've only a passing interest in kindjal/qama, so I'm not qualified to judge them, never mind assign age or value. Other members here are better at this than I am, but these specific things are, perhaps, a bit tougher than what they often see. My first thought to ask is Timo Nieminen but I'm sure others can offer info as well. Edit: Ah, Jordan. Another fellow I might have eventually thought of. Oh, I forgot: good or bad? They're pretty good, I'd say. I would discourage using them for cutting or trying to clean/sharpen/polish them, but if the hilts seem firm enough you can certainly swing them around without fear of them coming undone. These were made to be used, in a time where their use was important, so they've got that going for them.
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Post by harrybeck on Mar 12, 2019 5:16:57 GMT
I have a kindjal nearly identical to that one. That I got from mrl about 20 years or so ago.
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Post by randomnobody on Mar 12, 2019 8:57:35 GMT
I have a kindjal nearly identical to that one. That I got from mrl about 20 years or so ago. I thought it looked like the MRL in some ways, but kinda missed in others. Maybe it is a modern repro, though, in which case it's more like $20 and decent/mediocre quality.
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Post by harrybeck on Mar 12, 2019 14:57:03 GMT
There were variations in those models too.
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Post by Timo Nieminen on Mar 12, 2019 20:36:02 GMT
I don't think there's much more to be said about the Khyber knife. As for the kindjal/qama, a photo of the hilt from on-edge will help. The Indian replicas I've seen have solid tangs of uniform thickness. Originals have tapered tangs (if solid) or the steel visible at the edge is a frame around the tang rather than a solid tang (a frame around the tang is usual on Khyber knives, yataghans, etc.). If untapered, and POB very close to the hilt (suggesting solid tang), it's probably an old replica. If the tang looks uniformly thick but the POB isn't close, it's probably framed. Tapered -> original.
The dagger is a mystery.
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Post by kayaker on Mar 13, 2019 4:58:31 GMT
Hope this is the view you are after
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Post by Timo Nieminen on Mar 13, 2019 14:19:41 GMT
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