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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 22:30:20 GMT
After a lot of carving and sanding, the handle is starting to take shape.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 16:53:55 GMT
My point of balance is about 8 inches from the hilt area. I know this might be fairly common with sabers and tulwars and such. Does anyone else think this is a bit unacceptable?
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Post by Jordan Williams on Mar 10, 2019 18:09:43 GMT
My point of balance is about 8 inches from the hilt area. I know this might be fairly common with sabers and tulwars and such. Does anyone else think this is a bit unacceptable? For a sword of that blade length I usually see at most like 6 inches, But that's on military sabres. 8 is what I had on a recent 35.5 inch blade 1796 style sabre. Most sabres I have seen to fall in the 4" to 6" PoB range no matter sizing difference. When I get home I can take some measurements if want them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 18:26:32 GMT
My point of balance is about 8 inches from the hilt area. I know this might be fairly common with sabers and tulwars and such. Does anyone else think this is a bit unacceptable? For a sword of that blade length I usually see at most like 6 inches, But that's on military sabres. 8 is what I had on a recent 35.5 inch blade 1796 style sabre. Most sabres I have seen to fall in the 4" to 6" PoB range no matter sizing difference. When I get home I can take some measurements if want them. I am arriving at a few minor alterations I can make to improve the balance. I'm going to add a 3/8 thick copper washer/guard to the handle and another at the pommel. I am hoping this adds enough weight to move to the POB back an inch or two. European military sabers do seem to have a POB in the range you gave, and I certainly would appreciate any measurements you are willing to impart. I could have made the distal taper even more severe, but I wanted a heavy blade presence like the tulwar and eastern swords, which often have a POB around 6-7. Matt Easton has a tulwar or two with a POB of 7 inches. I think the copper will help. It is being shipped next week.
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Post by christain on Mar 11, 2019 1:20:09 GMT
I think you made a good choice with that wood for the grip. That looks great, and will look even better with a good oil/polish job. Hard to work with though. You won't see many contestants on 'Forged in Fire' grabbing a hunk of that very often!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 1:56:51 GMT
It was definitely a pain. I think I will finish with many, many, many thin coats of lacquer.
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Post by stormmaster on Mar 11, 2019 5:14:21 GMT
dr fabrice cognot just did a version of this piece, any thoughts on doing your pommel like his, should work very well
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 12:16:42 GMT
dr fabrice cognot just did a version of this piece, any thoughts on doing your pommel like his, should work very well Cognot did what Peter Lyon did not have the time or money to do. He did real gold inlay INSIDE the steel blade. He also can fabricate pommels and fittings, I cannot. To summarize, Dr. Cognot is freaking amazing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 14:33:38 GMT
Seriously, Cognot is brilliant. Thanks for sharing that.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Mar 11, 2019 18:25:21 GMT
For a sword of that blade length I usually see at most like 6 inches, But that's on military sabres. 8 is what I had on a recent 35.5 inch blade 1796 style sabre. Most sabres I have seen to fall in the 4" to 6" PoB range no matter sizing difference. When I get home I can take some measurements if want them. I am arriving at a few minor alterations I can make to improve the balance. I'm going to add a 3/8 thick copper washer/guard to the handle and another at the pommel. I am hoping this adds enough weight to move to the POB back an inch or two. European military sabers do seem to have a POB in the range you gave, and I certainly would appreciate any measurements you are willing to impart. I could have made the distal taper even more severe, but I wanted a heavy blade presence like the tulwar and eastern swords, which often have a POB around 6-7. Matt Easton has a tulwar or two with a POB of 7 inches. I think the copper will help. It is being shipped next week. 5" PoB, 32.5" blade on a P1845 infantry officer sword. 4.5" PoB, 30.5 inch blade on a M1850 infantry officer sword, bigger blade than the P1845. 6 7/8ths PoB, 29.5 inch blade on a Prussian N/A Artillery sabre. 6" PoB, 34" blade on a German KS52 cavalry chopper. Without a guard, yours is in the ballpark for historical fighting swords, but I may reccomend making the last third thinner. On all of my sabres barring one, the last section goes very thin until the actual tip where it swells up. Whenever I grind distal taper, I tend to get a skewed view of the swords handling as really any taper on the original will feel good. Try to do wrist based cutting motions with it, if you can handle going through cuts and guards for a couple minutes with it then you're probably fine, But if you get tired after a few passes I would take more weight out. If you grind a fuller into it I think that would help a lot as well. Looks great btw. Cool to see an awesome project like this
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 20:52:19 GMT
Thanks for all this wonderful data! I will leave any additional grinding, like a fuller, to someone who knows what they are doing. For the time being, I am satisfied with the blade profile. I believe my thick copper pieces will address the balance issue.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 22:53:41 GMT
Because I am wild about the piece Dr. Cognot just created, I thought I would share these images from his website:
I cannot get over the brass inlay. He etched the channels into the blade, most likely before heat treat, and then set the brass inside the channels, did the heat treat, and then polished everything smooth. It's incredibly work. I am so impressed I sent him a fan letter.
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Post by csills2313 on Mar 12, 2019 16:25:53 GMT
Ok. You made a believer out of me!! Please send me a couple so I can do a review!! 🤤
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 18:03:05 GMT
Ok. You made a believer out of me!! Please send me a couple so I can do a review!! 🤤 Send what? Some of Cognot's work? If only I could afford it!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 16:26:21 GMT
This project has entered a slow moving phase. I have all my various components prepared for assembly, but fine tuning all of them to achieve the most perfect fit requires hours of tedious adjustments. Cutting 3/8 thick copper was a PAIN IN THE ASS. Carving the slot for the tang and fitting it to the blade was even more tedious. I am happy to report I moved the point of balance... by one inch. It is now 7 inches from the hilt. Though I am dreading it, the only way I can move the POB even more without fiddling with the blade, is putting a thick piece of copper at the end of the pommel. This will require MORE cutting. I honestly don't know if I can stand it. Somebody send me a drill sergeant to whip me into shape.
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Post by christain on Mar 16, 2019 16:34:28 GMT
I've found that on really nit-picky, tedious work---sometimes it's better to just leave well enough alone. I realize that 'well enough' is not well enough for some folks, but in my experience this is the point where mistakes are made. I hate looking at something I just ruined and saying --- 'WHY the hell didn't I just leave it be?'. Just my 2 cents.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 17:02:56 GMT
I've found that on really nit-picky, tedious work---sometimes it's better to just leave well enough alone. I realize that 'well enough' is not well enough for some folks, but in my experience this is the point where mistakes are made. I hate looking at something I just ruined and saying --- 'WHY the hell didn't I just leave it be?'. Just my 2 cents. You are not wrong. I don't feel I am being as nitpicky as I could be. If I was really nitpicky, I would have gone back to grinding the blade again. I talked myself out of it by saying, "I like having blade presence," whatever the hell that means. Making the weapon more balanced, though, it's not a bad idea. I just need to make one more cut on this block of copper, just one, and then I can use the belt sander to shape.
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Post by christain on Mar 16, 2019 17:37:16 GMT
Better the copper than the blade! Do your thing, boss. Looking good!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 17:58:57 GMT
Well, I said "screw it" and decided to glue all the pieces together with epoxy. It glued nicely. Tomorrow, I am thinking of drilling a hole for one pin. A pin should help provide more stability. This entire process has been an exercise in patience.
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Post by christain on Mar 16, 2019 18:16:34 GMT
Whoever coined the phrase--"Patience is a virtue." --either got it absolutely right, or never tried to build a sword.
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