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Post by jinx on Jan 31, 2019 13:14:08 GMT
I want to address the use of my shinobi katana for climbing but thought a spike end was not very useful inside buildings or urban settings so I thought of this....what do you think? I just need a fastener solution..peg, retention screw etc and a grippy texture on the foot end.
I should clarify to those unfamiliar with the concept...katana in sheath leaned up against obstacle to climb. Shinobi steps on tsuba (handguard) to get a boost to begin climbing. The sageo cord is used to pull up the katana behind you. The spiked end often seen on ninja-to seem dangerous on hard smooth surfaces so I thought a foot might be better in that application.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Feb 5, 2019 4:10:58 GMT
I want to address the use of my shinobi katana for climbing but thought a spike end was not very useful inside buildings or urban settings so I thought of this....what do you think? I just need a fastener solution..peg, retention screw etc and a grippy texture on the foot end.
I should clarify to those unfamiliar with the concept...katana in sheath leaned up against obstacle to climb. Shinobi steps on tsuba (handguard) to get a boost to begin climbing. The sageo cord is used to pull up the katana behind you. The spiked end often seen on ninja-to seem dangerous on hard smooth surfaces so I thought a foot might be better in that application.
You should consider looking at trekking pole tips/feet for inspiration. There are a variety of shapes for achieving traction on a range of different surfaces/terrains. |
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Post by MOK on Feb 5, 2019 20:59:22 GMT
Why not a rubber tip instead, like on canes? They're specifically meant to prevent slipping on modern urban surfaces like pavements and floors. And as a bonus, it won't leave permanent signs of your intrusion, either!  |
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Post by pgandy on Feb 5, 2019 22:27:54 GMT
MOK idea is a good one. My two sword sticks made a definite clacking sound when the end of the saya made contact with a hard surface, the same as a bo if you know what I mean. So I went to the shoe repair shop and got a piece of scrap rubber for free from a left over shoe sole. Rough cut it, glued to the distal end of the saya, then when dry I trimmed to size. This not only quieten things but saves the saya as the pavement would shred the saya in short order. I had enough rubber left over to put a piece on my shirasaya but have never carried that one in the streets. This will give good slip resistance on hard surfaces and in the rough.
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Post by MOK on Feb 5, 2019 23:07:57 GMT
I've no idea how I missed that! But yeah, good idea, get both in one package. You probably won't find those in a size suitable for a kojiri substitute, though. |
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Post by pgandy on Feb 6, 2019 1:10:17 GMT
I missed it also.
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Post by jinx on Feb 7, 2019 22:43:10 GMT
Great ideas! I hadn't thought to look at existing similar ideas and was working from scratch but even so the flip out spike rubber foot is a great concept to incorporate. Just a matter of making one that compliments the contour of the saya. I'm building a saya from scratch with ~4" in the base for a device like this or more if I can squeeze some other storage/function there.
I'll have to dig into this further.
Thanks for the excellent feedback.
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Post by pgandy on Feb 8, 2019 2:24:17 GMT
I don't know if this will help but here are photos of my two sword sticks and shirasaya from the bottom and side. The sword sticks I use to carry but never the shirasaya although it out handles and cuts the other two.   |
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Post by jinx on Feb 8, 2019 22:16:02 GMT
That's how I imagined adding rubber to the saya. Cool.
Here's my next solution. Like a gate/shed latch. I will refine it but this concept seems like a good idea at the moment. I'm still open to new solutions but I could see this working well.
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Post by Ifrit on Feb 8, 2019 23:32:35 GMT
That's a pretty good idea actually.
You might need to make a new saya if you want it to be strong enough to step on as you plan to, but it's also possible if you cut the end of a saya into a type of joint, get a block of wood that's a similar width and whatnot, and create the opposite joint on it, fit them together and glue it.
This would give you the opportunity to add in the mechanism too
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Post by jinx on Feb 9, 2019 0:34:04 GMT
That's a pretty good idea actually. You might need to make a new saya if you want it to be strong enough to step on as you plan to, but it's also possible if you cut the end of a saya into a type of joint, get a block of wood that's a similar width and whatnot, and create the opposite joint on it, fit them together and glue it. This would give you the opportunity to add in the mechanism too Thanks!
I planned to build a new saya from scratch. I hadn't consider gluing in a piece of solid wood to an existing saya... good idea. If the one I have looks decent sanded and stained I'd consider that because the existing saya does fit well. It would save a lot of time.
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Post by Ifrit on Feb 10, 2019 3:50:02 GMT
That's a pretty good idea actually. You might need to make a new saya if you want it to be strong enough to step on as you plan to, but it's also possible if you cut the end of a saya into a type of joint, get a block of wood that's a similar width and whatnot, and create the opposite joint on it, fit them together and glue it. This would give you the opportunity to add in the mechanism too Thanks!
I planned to build a new saya from scratch. I hadn't consider gluing in a piece of solid wood to an existing saya... good idea. If the one I have looks decent sanded and stained I'd consider that because the existing saya does fit well. It would save a lot of time.
It is what I would do, mostly cause I am lazy and not particularly good with chisels hahaha. A joint wouldn't be hard to do with some good files and a hack saw. Seeing this thread makes me want to customize my KC 29 this way. That sword has the most solid saya I have ever held |
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Post by jinx on Feb 11, 2019 18:29:56 GMT
Seeing this thread makes me want to customize my KC 29 this way. That sword has the most solid saya I have ever held It would be cool to see someone else take on similar saya mods. I have a broken wrist now so I'm planning for when I feel up to it. |
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Post by jinx on Feb 11, 2019 20:42:35 GMT
Oops...double post
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Post by Ifrit on Feb 12, 2019 10:49:58 GMT
Seeing this thread makes me want to customize my KC 29 this way. That sword has the most solid saya I have ever held It would be cool to see someone else take on similar saya mods. I have a broken wrist now so I'm planning for when I feel up to it. I'm considering it. Even a spear head on the bottom would be cool |
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Feb 12, 2019 15:34:58 GMT
I have been contemplating for a while a weaponized saya/scabbard. It would be something substantial enough to use in the offhand to parry, poke, and probe defenses with. I've considered making a composite from a hardwood (like hickory), aluminum slats (recessed into the wood), and epoxy laminated carbon fiber cloth (tightly wrapped around the length of the scabbard). I would cover the whole thing in an opaque lacquer finish to obscure its purpose and durability. I'm also considering a subtly weaponized chape, which is sturdily constructed of bronze or steel and terminating in a subtle point.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Feb 12, 2019 17:08:10 GMT
I have been contemplating for a while a weaponized saya/scabbard. It would be something substantial enough to use in the offhand to parry, poke, and probe defenses with. I've considered making a composite from a hardwood (like hickory), aluminum slats (recessed into the wood), and epoxy laminated carbon fiber cloth (tightly wrapped around the length of the scabbard). I would cover the whole thing in an opaque lacquer finish to obscure its purpose and durability. I'm also considering a subtly weaponized chape, which is sturdily constructed of bronze or steel and terminating in a subtle point. Have you seen the sayas on the Hanwei Kouga and Iga Ninja-tos? I have only seen pictures of them, but the pointy kojiri look like what I have in mind. I'm not sure what they, or the saya itself is made from. I somehow doubt they are constructed with bearing adult human weight in mind (or holding up to the stresses of combat as a secondary weapon). |
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Post by jinx on Feb 12, 2019 21:35:02 GMT
I have been contemplating for a while a weaponized saya/scabbard. It would be something substantial enough to use in the offhand to parry, poke, and probe defenses with. I've considered making a composite from a hardwood (like hickory), aluminum slats (recessed into the wood), and epoxy laminated carbon fiber cloth (tightly wrapped around the length of the scabbard). I would cover the whole thing in an opaque lacquer finish to obscure its purpose and durability. I'm also considering a subtly weaponized chape, which is sturdily constructed of bronze or steel and terminating in a subtle point. Cool...way to challenge traditional design. I believe many schools of combat have used them in techniques so why not elaborate on this with a "weaponized" saya. Maybe there are traditional materials and processes to achieve this...
Not only was I thinking of the spike as a tool but a weapon as well.
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Post by Ifrit on Feb 19, 2019 21:55:38 GMT
I always wondered how to properly weaponize a saya too. If I knew how to cover the outside with aluminum I would. It would make it resistant to cuts while being not too heavy
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Post by jinx on Feb 23, 2019 2:06:57 GMT
For metal my first go to would be banded. Even a strip down each side would be cool, and could be inlayed. Rattan would make it stronger yet historically viable...maybe wire rattan?
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