Aikidoka
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Post by Aikidoka on Nov 14, 2018 18:39:31 GMT
There is a new Viking sword on Kult of Athena from Fafnir Forge. It has a Petersen type B hilt with a peened one piece pommel. www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=FF002&name=Fafnir+Forge+8th+-+9th+Century+Viking+SwordI went ahead and ordered one. They are only $199. I will probably use it as a blunt for pell work, initially. Assuming it holds up well to that, I'll probably sharpen it at some point. Glad to see they are making these with historically accurate grip lengths.
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Post by legacyofthesword on Nov 14, 2018 19:24:51 GMT
Nice! Would love to hear your thoughts on it once you get it.
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Post by Gunnar Wolfgard on Nov 19, 2018 14:42:54 GMT
Guess you can't beat the price but I have two problems with it. First the blade is less than two inches wide and second if you look at a close up of the guard and pommel it's to squared off with sharp edges. Looking down at them they look okay but when you look from the side is when you see them. On most pommels on this type of sword the pommel tapers down to a point, this one it flairs out.
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Post by razorseal on Nov 25, 2018 2:33:18 GMT
Yeah that looks like a really narrow blade! Narrower than what the specs say!?
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Post by nerdthenord on Nov 25, 2018 4:53:46 GMT
Ohh! Me wants! Doesn't look perfect, but at that price it looks like an awesome early viking sword(my favorite kind).
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Post by Luka on Nov 26, 2018 14:28:25 GMT
Guess you can't beat the price but I have two problems with it. First the blade is less than two inches wide and second if you look at a close up of the guard and pommel it's to squared off with sharp edges. Looking down at them they look okay but when you look from the side is when you see them. On most pommels on this type of sword the pommel tapers down to a point, this one it flairs out. Actually, type H taper towards the top, type B flares towards the top, see the picture below.
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Post by Gunnar Wolfgard on Nov 26, 2018 16:00:40 GMT
Guess you can't beat the price but I have two problems with it. First the blade is less than two inches wide and second if you look at a close up of the guard and pommel it's to squared off with sharp edges. Looking down at them they look okay but when you look from the side is when you see them. On most pommels on this type of sword the pommel tapers down to a point, this one it flairs out. Actually, type H taper towards the top, type B flares towards the top, see the picture below. Yes Luka, if you read what I said I never said it wasn't historically accurate. I simply said why I didn't like it and MOST pommels taper down not referring to Type B or H but Viking swords in general. Going through Peirce's book Swords of the Viking Age I couldn't find one picture of a pommel that was shaped like that not even in Marek's book Early Medieval Swords of Central and Eastern Europe. Not saying it didn't exist only it couldn't be all that common. I don't like sharp edges on a pommel especially on swords with a short grip and no I don't wear gloves. And I don't like narrow blades on a Viking sword, my opinion and personal taste.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Nov 26, 2018 16:07:39 GMT
Actually, type H taper towards the top, type B flares towards the top, see the picture below. Yes Luka, if you read what I said I never said it wasn't historically accurate. I simply said why I didn't like it and MOST pommels taper down not referring to Type B or H but Viking swords in general. Going through Peirce's book Swords of the Viking Age I couldn't find one picture of a pommel that was shaped like that not even in Marek's book Early Medieval Swords of Central and Eastern Europe. Not saying it didn't exist only it couldn't be all that common. I don't like sharp edges on a pommel especially on swords with a short grip and no I don't wear gloves. And I don't like narrow blades on a Viking sword, my opinion and personal taste. You certainly implied it wasn't accurate. Wear gloves then, lots of actual warriors did.
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Post by Gunnar Wolfgard on Nov 26, 2018 16:45:50 GMT
Yes Luka, if you read what I said I never said it wasn't historically accurate. I simply said why I didn't like it and MOST pommels taper down not referring to Type B or H but Viking swords in general. Going through Peirce's book Swords of the Viking Age I couldn't find one picture of a pommel that was shaped like that not even in Marek's book Early Medieval Swords of Central and Eastern Europe. Not saying it didn't exist only it couldn't be all that common. I don't like sharp edges on a pommel especially on swords with a short grip and no I don't wear gloves. And I don't like narrow blades on a Viking sword, my opinion and personal taste. You certainly implied it wasn't accurate. Wear gloves then, lots of actual warriors did. " Implied " ? Oh you mean when someone put words into someone else's mouth. Where someone tries to read someone else's mind. Show me one word that "implies" I said it wasn't accurate. " Couldn't be all that common " doesn't mean non existent. There are some here who would say I'm not all that common but I do exist. And if them Englanders are charging me I'm going to say, WAITE A MINUTE while I put my gloves on please.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Nov 26, 2018 16:54:02 GMT
You certainly implied it wasn't accurate. Wear gloves then, lots of actual warriors did. " Implied " ? Oh you mean when someone put words into someone else's mouth. Where someone tries to read someone else's mind. Show me one word that "implies" I said it wasn't accurate. " Couldn't be all that common " doesn't mean non existent. There are some here who would say I'm not all that common but I do exist. And if them Englanders are charging me I'm going to say, WAITE A MINUTE while I put my gloves on please. Let's not get upset now. In my mind, and therefore my opinion, this implies that a flared out pommel is inaccurate. To people who don't know a lot about swords or viking swords, they might see your comment and think "uncommon = inaccurate" if they're trying to make sure they don't farb it up. My comment about gloves is referencing your earlier comment on another thread where you say you pick swords based on what a warrior might. Soldiers wore and wear gloves. I even wear gloves when handling and cutting with my sabres. There is a huge difference in dry and with gloves.
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Post by Curtis_Louis on Nov 26, 2018 17:22:54 GMT
" Implied " ? Oh you mean when someone put words into someone else's mouth. Where someone tries to read someone else's mind. Show me one word that "implies" I said it wasn't accurate. " Couldn't be all that common " doesn't mean non existent. There are some here who would say I'm not all that common but I do exist. And if them Englanders are charging me I'm going to say, WAITE A MINUTE while I put my gloves on please. :) Let's not get upset now. In my mind, and therefore my opinion, this implies that a flared out pommel is inaccurate. To people who don't know a lot about swords or viking swords, they might see your comment and think "uncommon = inaccurate" if they're trying to make sure they don't farb it up. My comment about gloves is referencing your earlier comment on another thread where you say you pick swords based on what a warrior might. Soldiers wore and wear gloves. I even wear gloves when handling and cutting with my sabres. There is a huge difference in dry and with gloves. I think most "Englanders" wear gloves. Have you considered mittens? They are easier to get on and off.
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Post by Gunnar Wolfgard on Nov 26, 2018 17:35:19 GMT
Webster Dictionary. Uncommon - Not in abundance, infrequent, falling short of standard. Nothing about "inaccurate". Most - Greatest quantity, amount or degree. Nothing about non existent. And I never get upset.
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Post by Gunnar Wolfgard on Nov 26, 2018 17:40:30 GMT
Let's not get upset now. In my mind, and therefore my opinion, this implies that a flared out pommel is inaccurate. To people who don't know a lot about swords or viking swords, they might see your comment and think "uncommon = inaccurate" if they're trying to make sure they don't farb it up. My comment about gloves is referencing your earlier comment on another thread where you say you pick swords based on what a warrior might. Soldiers wore and wear gloves. I even wear gloves when handling and cutting with my sabres. There is a huge difference in dry and with gloves. I think most "Englanders" wear gloves. Have you considered mittens? They are easier to get on and off. Well there you go, what heathen Viking would do anything like the Englanders would. Before anyone jumps on this comment it's a joke and I'm still not upset. When I get upset people die. Also a joke, maybe.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Nov 26, 2018 17:42:12 GMT
Webster Dictionary. Uncommon - Not in abundance, infrequent, falling short of standard. Nothing about "inaccurate". Most - Greatest quantity, amount or degree. Nothing about non existent. And I never get upset. Then you misunderstand what I am saying. I said you implied it, not that you stated it outright. Perhaps suggest would have been a better word to use.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Nov 26, 2018 17:46:21 GMT
Mittens would perhaps be a better thing than fingered gloves for viking swords if you're only concern is what isn't rare with finds related to the viking time period it appears, not without precedent in the viking era. A lot if entries from vikingage.org
But given that one of the earliest depictions of gloves is in not only a martial context but also from the ancient period, being of two Minoan youths boxing on the Knossos fresco, I would think it's unreasonable to say that vikings didn't use some sort of glove or mitten when using swords, at least part of the time.
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Post by Curtis_Louis on Nov 26, 2018 17:58:49 GMT
The other part of the time, they were milking goats.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Nov 26, 2018 18:20:11 GMT
And eating cheeses too!
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Post by William Swiger on Nov 26, 2018 19:36:47 GMT
I bought the other Viking sword they sell on KOA. Nice sword for the money. Not crazy about the wrong cross section but like most in this price point (higher end ones as well), I get it.
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Post by Aikidoka on Nov 28, 2018 16:03:44 GMT
I bought the other Viking sword they sell on KOA. Nice sword for the money. Not crazy about the wrong cross section but like most in this price point (higher end ones as well), I get it. Wrong cross section for the blade?
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Post by Gunnar Wolfgard on Nov 28, 2018 16:18:14 GMT
I bought the other Viking sword they sell on KOA. Nice sword for the money. Not crazy about the wrong cross section but like most in this price point (higher end ones as well), I get it. Wrong cross section for the blade? Now are you implying or just suggesting that it is a wrong cross section? Could it be just an uncommon cross section rather than a wrong cross section?
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