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Post by nerdthenord on Nov 20, 2018 20:35:35 GMT
Just a fun fact here in the good old USA. Ever heard of Jury Nullification? It basically means Juries have the right to declare a defendant not guilty even if they believe they are guilty as guilty can be if they believe the law they broke is fundamentally unjust. Keep that in mind if you ever get called for jury duty.
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Post by ryuto on Dec 27, 2018 22:13:36 GMT
The recent and ongoing British regulations have been a topic of prime discussion here this past year. Would you be able to elaborate further on this, please? I'll be relocating to the UK mid-next year, and their regulations / restrictions seem labyrinthine compared to Australia. As far as I can tell they outright ban(?) katanas made after 1954 & other curved swords, but straight-bladed swords are ok? I can't find anything on whether licenses, import approvals etc. are required at all?? Thank you. This is a really complex issue in the UK and that’s coming from an ex-magistrate! I asked our legal advisors about the ‘blade laws’ etc and all they could offer was that you can’t carry a blade with a sharpened edge greater that’s three inches in length (7cm) if memory serves. When I asked about swords they just said they’re illegal! Police officer friends tell me that I can carry them only if it’s to and from my place of practise, the sword is inaccessible (wrapped in a sword bag and within a case) and I’m carrying my recognised association documents (BKA) but it is still at the discretion of the attending officer and i could be arrested. When importing katana from abroad I’ve been warned that they may be seized and destroyed at customs....it’s a bit of a worrying lottery but I’ve done this three times thus far and it’s been ok (sports equipment on Iaido customs labels and object d’art for a very special sword). Tozando inKyoto tell me they export their antique nihonto under the object d’art label with no difficulty. Personally I favour strict regulation of bladed implements in the UK but when you consider most knife crimes are committed with kitchen knives....well...what’s the point?
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Post by bebut on Dec 28, 2018 0:33:47 GMT
The general point is more power for the government. That's why under citizen pressure Arizona decriminalized knives and went to state preemption. Use it as a weapon, you will be judged as to whether it was justified or not. Use it as a tool or simply be in possession, it will be a tool until proven otherwise.
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Post by ryuto on Dec 28, 2018 16:47:01 GMT
The general point is more power for the government. That's why under citizen pressure Arizona decriminalized knives and went to state preemption. Use it as a weapon, you will be judged as to whether it was justified or not. Use it as a tool or simply be in possession, it will be a tool until proven otherwise. That seems very sensible but in the UK knife crime (in London at any rate), is on the rise amongst the stupid young. We’re not sensible like our US cousins so I wouldn’t trust such a rule here. Anyway, Idon’t see why we need kitchen knives, cutlery etc. Food stuffs can easy be ripped apart and cooked if one simply keeps ones fingernails long and food eaten with just the hands is more environmentally friendly....
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Post by xtremetrainer on Aug 22, 2019 3:51:46 GMT
The good news is it varies from state to state. the bad news is in most states it varies from city to city or city to county. Some, like AZ, have state pre-exemption which means no city or county can pass laws more strict than the state law. KISS.That does not mean than the cities or counties won't pass laws more strict, just that they will not win in court. It also does not mean you will not be stopped by police and questioned. Inquiring minds want to know. Also, from laws I have seen there are often vague references to "weapons", withour precise definations. So how can a city or county get away with passing more restrictive laws if there's state pre-exemption? To do so would mean they're violating the pre-exemption which would be illegal. And also I would suppose federal law would override any state law. For instance, when it comes to transporting guns there's the SAFE act which means you can transport guns in your car through a state in which said guns are illegal as long as they're legal in your state of origin, they're legal in your state of destination, they're kept unloaded and locked in the trunk or locked in a case for your entire drive through the state, and you don't make any stops in the state except for gas or other emergencies. This is if you're transporting guns which it stands to reason they would be more restrictive with than swords.
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Post by harrybeck on Aug 22, 2019 14:46:06 GMT
Except that certain states are willfully violating the act and jailing citizens who are supposedly protected.
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Post by xtremetrainer on Sept 12, 2019 14:34:42 GMT
Except that certain states are willfully violating the act and jailing citizens who are supposedly protected. So then those states, or specifically the people in those states who are willfully violating the act, they should be prosecuted and convicted and sentenced.
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Post by harrybeck on Sept 12, 2019 14:38:31 GMT
Of course they shod, but it's the government doing it.
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Post by xtremetrainer on Sept 13, 2019 23:29:30 GMT
Of course they shod, but it's the government doing it. So, government officials have to obey the law like everybody else.
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Post by harrybeck on Sept 14, 2019 0:58:19 GMT
Theoretically
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Post by theophilus736 on Sept 17, 2019 23:42:23 GMT
The good news is it varies from state to state. the bad news is in most states it varies from city to city or city to county. Some, like AZ, have state pre-exemption which means no city or county can pass laws more strict than the state law. KISS.That does not mean than the cities or counties won't pass laws more strict, just that they will not win in court. It also does not mean you will not be stopped by police and questioned. Inquiring minds want to know. Also, from laws I have seen there are often vague references to "weapons", withour precise definations. So how can a city or county get away with passing more restrictive laws if there's state pre-exemption? To do so would mean they're violating the pre-exemption which would be illegal. And also I would suppose federal law would override any state law. For instance, when it comes to transporting guns there's the SAFE act which means you can transport guns in your car through a state in which said guns are illegal as long as they're legal in your state of origin, they're legal in your state of destination, they're kept unloaded and locked in the trunk or locked in a case for your entire drive through the state, and you don't make any stops in the state except for gas or other emergencies. This is if you're transporting guns which it stands to reason they would be more restrictive with than swords. dude states and counties have been disregarding federal and state laws respectively for decades.
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Post by howler on Sept 18, 2019 0:45:31 GMT
This discussion kind of fits in with the "no more ammo" thread currently raging...I mean simmering...ok, room temp but its pretty close to a stove set on warm.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 0:52:23 GMT
This discussion kind of fits in with the "no more ammo" thread currently raging...I mean simmering...ok, room temp but its pretty close to a stove set on warm. I was just thinking the same thing! (sigh) There was time when people with different beliefs could bond through a shared interest. Sadly, it seems those days are gone...
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Post by howler on Sept 18, 2019 1:31:55 GMT
This discussion kind of fits in with the "no more ammo" thread currently raging...I mean simmering...ok, room temp but its pretty close to a stove set on warm. I was just thinking the same thing! (sigh) There was time when people with different beliefs could bond through a shared interest. Sadly, it seems those days are gone... Yeah, the whole affair is tragically laughable, peoples sensibilities so easily damaged. Classic struggle of individual with the collective, over vs under regulation, I suppose. I guess common sense is up to the individual beholder to parse exactness, a nebulous thing but still a general shared consensus. But still, why even more power, energy, control to centralized entities (regardless of political affiliation) given such low approval ratings in their profession? Heck, I trust my fellow citizens that I disagree with more than that, let alone like minded friends.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 2:06:59 GMT
I was just thinking the same thing! (sigh) There was time when people with different beliefs could bond through a shared interest. Sadly, it seems those days are gone... Yeah, the whole affair is tragically laughable, peoples sensibilities so easily damaged. Classic struggle of individual with the collective, over vs under regulation, I suppose. I guess common sense is up to the individual beholder to parse exactness, a nebulous thing but still a general shared consensus. But still, why even more power, energy, control to centralized entities (regardless of political affiliation) given such low approval ratings in their profession? Heck, I trust my fellow citizens that I disagree with more than that, let alone like minded friends. Yeah, but this sort of thing happens from time to time in history, as the old paradigms fail and new ones rise to take their place. Fascinating to watch the "Turning and turning in the widening gyre..." Oops, sorry, derailing someone else's thread... apologies all around.
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Post by howler on Sept 18, 2019 2:14:17 GMT
Yeah, the whole affair is tragically laughable, peoples sensibilities so easily damaged. Classic struggle of individual with the collective, over vs under regulation, I suppose. I guess common sense is up to the individual beholder to parse exactness, a nebulous thing but still a general shared consensus. But still, why even more power, energy, control to centralized entities (regardless of political affiliation) given such low approval ratings in their profession? Heck, I trust my fellow citizens that I disagree with more than that, let alone like minded friends. Yeah, but this sort of thing happens from time to time in history, as the old paradigms fail and new ones rise to take their place. Fascinating to watch the "Turning and turning in the widening gyre..." Oops, sorry, derailing someone else's thread... apologies all around. "Welcome again my friends, to the show that never ends...step inside step inside" (forgiveness for butchering the song, but the sentiment remains).
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Post by bebut on Oct 1, 2019 18:24:20 GMT
yep, let's can this post or better yet keep it on topic of specific laws, case history, etc. Keeping legal is important whether you are a collector, dealer, competition player, tool user, or SD/HD.
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