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Post by xtremetrainer on Nov 13, 2018 18:28:51 GMT
So far I haven't seen any section in this forum that deals with the legal regulations of swords, knives, and other bladed weapons. I did post a thread about this organization called kniferights in another folder but it hasn't gotten any responses. Anyway, Im hoping we can discuss this and perhaps take action to legislate for bladed weapon rights.
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Nov 13, 2018 19:34:13 GMT
Hello. While speaking about what knife laws and regulations are in your area is okay, taking the discussion into political waters is a no-no, as politics and religion are two topics the owner of the forum has asked not be discussed.
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Post by xtremetrainer on Nov 13, 2018 19:58:32 GMT
Hello. While speaking about what knife laws and regulations are in your area is okay, taking the discussion into political waters is a no-no, as politics and religion are two topics the owner of the forum has asked not be discussed. Alright, I am concerned with the laws regarding swords and knives in various states that I might travel to since I go to renaissance faires out of state and I bring swords and/or knives along.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 20:01:16 GMT
Keep in mind, the overall traffic on weekdays/nights isn't exactly active, especially in this cubbyhole. The recent and ongoing British regulations have been a topic of prime discussion here this past year. Most of the legal discussions seem to percolate the most in the cafe subsection. American Knife and Tool Institute predates Knife Rights www.akti.org/kniferights.org/I've taken the liberty to post those links for the curious Americans. Therein should be realized that the US participants here are only part of the equation and global laws in general. Again, more attention to participation in the cafe. As far as the fifty states go, that is exactly were the two aforementioned organizations are at and working with legislation. State by state,most of the very ambiguous blade and weapon laws revolve around purpose. Even within the strictest locales, purpose often outweighs perceived threat. A large misconception are the differences in the two words ban and restriction.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 20:04:27 GMT
Hello. While speaking about what knife laws and regulations are in your area is okay, taking the discussion into political waters is a no-no, as politics and religion are two topics the owner of the forum has asked not be discussed. Alright, I am concerned with the laws regarding swords and knives in various states that I might travel to since I go to renaissance faires out of state and I bring swords and/or knives along. The faires and shows themselves are regulated. Traveling between states is not an issue (unless you make it an issue). Transport for a lawful purpose, never an issue.
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Nov 13, 2018 20:16:19 GMT
Hello. While speaking about what knife laws and regulations are in your area is okay, taking the discussion into political waters is a no-no, as politics and religion are two topics the owner of the forum has asked not be discussed. Alright, I am concerned with the laws regarding swords and knives in various states that I might travel to since I go to renaissance faires out of state and I bring swords and/or knives along.
That's always okay to ask about. Really important to suss out what you can legally carry in a given area.
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Post by bebut on Nov 13, 2018 22:18:20 GMT
The good news is it varies from state to state. the bad news is in most states it varies from city to city or city to county. Some, like AZ, have state pre-exemption which means no city or county can pass laws more strict than the state law. KISS.That does not mean than the cities or counties won't pass laws more strict, just that they will not win in court. It also does not mean you will not be stopped by police and questioned. Inquiring minds want to know. Also, from laws I have seen there are often vague references to "weapons", withour precise definations.
Anyway, carrying swords secured in hold baggage, car trunk. etc. should pose no problem but look up the state and city and county laws for wherever you are going. Also, no not expect a street cop to be knowledgeable about obscure laws. Many are too complicated and vague and it falls back on case law in that jurisdiction.
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Post by nerdthenord on Nov 13, 2018 22:52:10 GMT
Rootin' Tootin' Texan here. Legally, I can now open carry any sword of mine anywhere they are not legally prohibited, like schools, hospitals, and government buildings. Do I carry my swords openly? Heck to the no! Even though I can legally, that's a great way to get shot by the police here in my city.
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Post by khoi on Nov 14, 2018 3:25:25 GMT
The recent and ongoing British regulations have been a topic of prime discussion here this past year. Would you be able to elaborate further on this, please? I'll be relocating to the UK mid-next year, and their regulations / restrictions seem labyrinthine compared to Australia. As far as I can tell they outright ban(?) katanas made after 1954 & other curved swords, but straight-bladed swords are ok? I can't find anything on whether licenses, import approvals etc. are required at all?? Thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 4:13:05 GMT
Gosh, I think you'd have to start with looking at what happened earlier in this century. One such thread www.swordforum.com/forums/showthread.php?81946-UK-sword-ban-any-news-of-a-reversalIf you view that forum, at the bottom of the page is a drop down menu. Elect to view threads back to the beginning and then start reading related threads back to about 2006. More recently, the issues have revolved around buyers can not have the items shipped to their home but must be arranged either at the seller's location, or shipper's depot, post office, what have you. There are at least half a dozen threads here, at least two in the cafe section here and broadcast widely across bladed forums across the internet. Hook up with Matt Easton, in a nutshell regarding the postage issues www.fioredeiliberi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=21970As I am not a UK resident, I can only point out that there is both good and bad information out there. The original legislation (see attachments) are restrictions, not bans, See my comment above A large misconception are the differences in the two words ban and restriction.Hopefully those images are readable but Clives letters are out there, along with endless discussion a dozen years ago. I bothered to save them but they are also shown on that first link in this post. While the search engine here sucks, internet searches in general reap what one might put into it. Say, search UK sword law, knife law, what have you. What it all boils down to is that it is more of a hassle and more expensive but life goes on. Editing to add that if you read those images carefully, you will see the term "defences" those are allowances for obtaining and owning said objects. I am not going to walk you through, point to point regarding how you go about dealing with the restrictions but not unlike what I read 20 years ago about parts of Australia and needing a permit, as well as dealing with "restrictions". Good luck
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 7:20:10 GMT
German weapons laws are true Absurdistan too... bought this for my Lady - only to learnthat THIS is a forbidden weapon - because it can be opened one-handed and the blade can be locked! And thats considered intimidating and only suitable for violent purposes! But i am allowed to carry afixed blade EDC up to 12 cm blade length... The text of the law is in its whole glory cannot be posted here, but believe me, you could REALLY, LITERALLY read for a dozen times or more - and you still wouldnt know what you are allowed to do with a sword considering bringing it along to a RenFaire. No German is allowed to buy a gun legally without MASSIVE regulations and tons of paperwork; but i can go right away to aknife/weapons dealer or an online store and order a 150 lbs drawforce crossbow with hunting tips!!! Just have to be 18 years old... O.o Pure craziness. Attachments:
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Nov 14, 2018 13:19:37 GMT
It's not so bad I think. In general they try to avoid people running around with weapons at hand but try to allow the use of tools. That's not always perfectly executed, but what is ever? Unfortunatly one handed/assisted opening knives are considered dangerous and counted as weapons. They fear the fast opening of a initially hidden knife. The crossbow is a mistake too, but we had no crimes with crossbows afaik. (I'm pondering...)
You can carry a sword unboxed if you have a respected reason like your (legal) job, sports, tradition/customs (=costumes). Not much room for a sword except at ren faires.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 16:17:12 GMT
It's not so bad I think. In general they try to avoid people running around with weapons at hand but try to allow the use of tools. That's not always perfectly executed, but what is ever? Unfortunatly one handed/assisted opening knives are considered dangerous and counted as weapons. They fear the fast opening of a initially hidden knife. The crossbow is a mistake too, but we had no crimes with crossbows afaik. (I'm pondering...) You can carry a sword unboxed if you have a respected reason like your (legal) job, sports, tradition/customs (=costumes). Not much room for a sword except at ren faires. A friend and i made a little experiment... with a very good, exact stopwatch. It took me the perfect same time to open that little thing... one or two hands; taking it out of the pocket included. And where is the logic with the 12 cm fixed blade knives then? And then try to to get it clear from that law test what the heck could exactly be considered a respected reason; good luck! Ah, youre so lucky in Bavaria... you still allowed to carry a BIERSEIDEL!!!
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Nov 14, 2018 16:45:39 GMT
A knife as a tool doesn't need a blade longer than 12 cm in general. If you really need a longer blade for a good reason it's still ok too. The rule about the one handed opening folders is aimed at fast opening fighting knives. I agree that there are many not-fighting-tool-folders that fall under that carrying ban but were not really meant. Bad luck but there are still many knives you can carry. Don't talk too much about that crossbow thing, please! The stein/Masskrug is the classic Bavarian melee weapon and so it counts to tradition:
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 17:05:15 GMT
A knife as a tool doesn't need a blade longer than 12 cm in general. If you really need a longer blade for a good reason it's still ok too. The rule about the one handed opening folders is aimed at fast opening fighting knives. I agree that there are many not-fighting-tool-folders that fall under that carrying ban but were not really meant. Bad luck but there are still many knives you can carry. Don't talk too much about that crossbow thing, please! The stein/Masskrug is the classic Bavarian melee weapon and so it counts to tradition: But the Mass(mass, hehe)Krug can be used only once, right? Or is that depending on skull hardn... oh, forget it. But why so shy on talking crossboes? Or bows in general, for that matter? Got any? xD
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Nov 14, 2018 17:21:25 GMT
Not that they ban crossbows too, what will we do in a zombie akopalypse then ? (with zombies it's called "akopalypse"!) The stein confronted with a Bavarian head is an one shot weapon. The Bavarian head is used in melee with much more success but can't be banned for reasonable grounds.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 17:30:55 GMT
Not that they ban crossbows too, what will we do in a zombie akopalypse then ? (with zombies it's called "akopalypse"!) The stein confronted with a Bavarian head is an one shot weapon. The Bavarian head is used in melee with much more success but can't be banned for reasonable grounds. Never underestimate a Badener... ever. xD Bro... in a zombie apocalypse i would give a solid *beep* about anything written in a lawbook or a constitution! Ah... but we are are performing rabid ridiculing derailing here... sorry to everyone.
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Post by bebut on Nov 16, 2018 13:25:35 GMT
As I understand current law in Arizona all knives are tools unless they are used as weapons. Makes sense to me. You just have to watch when you go into other jurisdictions, like the local post office. Or victim disarmament zones like picking up your grandkid at school.
Ditto on difference between ban and restriction, but sad that restrictions lead to bans.
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Post by Dalin Caulder on Nov 20, 2018 19:24:57 GMT
It's not so bad I think. In general they try to avoid people running around with weapons at hand but try to allow the use of tools. That's not always perfectly executed, but what is ever? Unfortunatly one handed/assisted opening knives are considered dangerous and counted as weapons. They fear the fast opening of a initially hidden knife. The crossbow is a mistake too, but we had no crimes with crossbows afaik. (I'm pondering...) You can carry a sword unboxed if you have a respected reason like your (legal) job, sports, tradition/customs (=costumes). Not much room for a sword except at ren faires. A friend and i made a little experiment... with a very good, exact stopwatch. It took me the perfect same time to open that little thing... one or two hands; taking it out of the pocket included. And where is the logic with the 12 cm fixed blade knives then? And then try to to get it clear from that law test what the heck could exactly be considered a respected reason; good luck! Ah, youre so lucky in Bavaria... you still allowed to carry a BIERSEIDEL!!! Laws don't have to make sense...you just have to abide by them. There are alot of stupid laws out there, as long as your not breaking them...or can explain a legitimate reason for quasi breaking them (that fine line) you should be ok.
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Post by howler on Nov 20, 2018 20:12:38 GMT
A friend and i made a little experiment... with a very good, exact stopwatch. It took me the perfect same time to open that little thing... one or two hands; taking it out of the pocket included. And where is the logic with the 12 cm fixed blade knives then? And then try to to get it clear from that law test what the heck could exactly be considered a respected reason; good luck! Ah, youre so lucky in Bavaria... you still allowed to carry a BIERSEIDEL!!! Laws don't have to make sense...you just have to abide by them. There are alot of stupid laws out there, as long as your not breaking them...or can explain a legitimate reason for quasi breaking them (that fine line) you should be ok. You can choose to not abide by, as well as legally fight, laws that you believe make no sense and are unjust, though you must understand and assume the risk of doing so.
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