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Post by juliuscaesar on Oct 21, 2018 15:26:26 GMT
Hello everyone, I just had a question about a slightly off centre pommel on one of my swords. It is a scent stopper type pommel and I never noticed it before until I looked at it closely and my OCD kicked in lmao. I don’t wanna send it back to the vendor and pay 50+ in shipping from Canada, so I was wondering if I should touch it at all with a vice or something to try and move it back to near perfect alignment.
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Post by juliuscaesar on Oct 21, 2018 15:29:57 GMT
I’m having issues posting pics of the pommel but if someone would just pm me at robzaccaria18@gmail.com and provide some advice on what to do that would be awesome.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Oct 21, 2018 15:51:18 GMT
I try to wait a few weeks in such a case. Usually I shrug it off then. If you don't see it on first sight it's not so bad.
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Post by MOK on Oct 21, 2018 20:00:01 GMT
What to do depends on how exactly it's off - rotated out of alignment, twisted to one side, straight but slightly misplaced - and why...
Is the pommel loose? Does it make any kind of noises when you move the sword around with some vigor? What kind of sword is it, and how is it assembled?
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Post by juliuscaesar on Oct 22, 2018 1:20:56 GMT
What to do depends on how exactly it's off - rotated out of alignment, twisted to one side, straight but slightly misplaced - and why... Is the pommel loose? Does it make any kind of noises when you move the sword around with some vigor? What kind of sword is it, and how is it assembled? it’s a peened assembly, no movement at all since the construction is very solid. It’s not twisted but it looks bent towards the left.
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Post by juliuscaesar on Oct 22, 2018 1:21:45 GMT
What to do depends on how exactly it's off - rotated out of alignment, twisted to one side, straight but slightly misplaced - and why... Is the pommel loose? Does it make any kind of noises when you move the sword around with some vigor? What kind of sword is it, and how is it assembled? it’s a peened assembly, no movement at all since the construction is very solid. It’s not twisted but it looks bent towards the left. and it is a valiant armoury malatesta
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Oct 26, 2018 19:05:21 GMT
You can bent back but you will take the chance of cracking the grip core. I'm guess you are in Canada.
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Post by Brian Kunz on Oct 26, 2018 19:55:31 GMT
Historically swords were far from perfect. Symmetry is a bit of modern day obsession. Swords are hand made, with subtle flaws. Badly aligned parts are not acceptable, but a subtle misaligned pommel isn't a big deal, especially at the price point. Even high-end swords, custom or not, have flaws.
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Post by MOK on Oct 27, 2018 5:02:54 GMT
Perfection is boring, anyway. It's possible the tang is slightly bent - such things do happen during shipping far more often than they should - but if the flaw is small enough to be missed it's also possible that the pommel is just slightly asymmetrical in form. If it bothers you, like Driggers said you could try to gently bend it back, at the risk of possibly damaging the grip. But if it doesn't affect handling, and you can look past it, personally I'd probably leave well enough alone. If you can post a photo that would probably help us say something more definite. If you can't post a photo, I'd try to take one, anyway: if you can't get the fault to show clearly in a photograph, it's probably not a big enough deal to spend any time worrying about.
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Post by WVfishguy on Nov 9, 2018 5:40:58 GMT
For goodness sakes - I DON'T WANT a "perfect" sword. Does anyone here actually believe that in the medieval/migration era, sword smiths made swords which were perfectly aligned? Do you folks believe "medieval computers" produced swords (or any other damn thing) perfectly balanced and evenly distributed? This is why I will never own a CDC produced sword. To me, IT'S NOT A SWORD! IT'S A MODERN DEVICE made to resemble a sword. Even handmade handguns, like my wife's 1968 Colt Python, or her 1970 Smith & Wesson 586, or any Colt Single Action Army, will have perceptible imperfections. That's why you can take any part off one Glock and put it on another Glock. But if you take the trigger assembly out of a Colt Single Action and try to fit it to another Colt, you must do a lot of hand fitting to get it to match. That's why Glocks cost $450 and Colt single actions cost $2,500+. The people who want "perfection" are very young, inexperienced, and grew up with computer technology. In reality, a perfect sword is NOT A SWORD!
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Post by Jordan Williams on Nov 9, 2018 8:38:41 GMT
For goodness sakes - I DON'T WANT a "perfect" sword. Does anyone here actually believe that in the medieval/migration era, sword smiths made swords which were perfectly aligned? Do you folks believe "medieval computers" produced swords (or any other damn thing) perfectly balanced and evenly distributed? This is why I will never own a CDC produced sword. To me, IT'S NOT A SWORD! IT'S A MODERN DEVICE made to resemble a sword. Even handmade handguns, like my wife's 1968 Colt Python, or her 1970 Smith & Wesson 586, or any Colt Single Action Army, will have perceptible imperfections. That's why you can take any part off one Glock and put it on another Glock. But if you take the trigger assembly out of a Colt Single Action and try to fit it to another Colt, you must do a lot of hand fitting to get it to match. That's why Glocks cost $450 and Colt single actions cost $2,500+. The people who want "perfection" are very young, inexperienced, and grew up with computer technology. In reality, a perfect sword is NOT A SWORD! Obviously wanting perfection in anything aside from heaven is a useless want. But wanting a swords parts to be aligned properly is not. Grew up with computer tech? I've met a few old timers who pissed on knives they didn't deem as perfect, and I myself despite being at a time inexperience and having grown up in the computer age do not and have never really strived for perfection in my collection. Others have, and at a certain price range it's certainly not a sin to expect a piece to near perfection. I fully believe that in the era when swords were made for a market that used them seriously they could make them essentially perfectly aligned. After all, if you're making a sword for a baron or lord why make it poorly? It's your reputation, and therefore livelihood on the line there. Also, were the colt single action a modern issue weapon and not a famous and collectable gun I guarantee it wouldn't be 2500+ dollars. Also, no where does the OP say they want a perfect sword. Just that they dislike the fact that the pommel is misaligned, which shouldn't have even been done like that in the first place. So your rant is unwarranted.
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Post by MOK on Nov 9, 2018 13:18:45 GMT
In this context, "perfect" does not mean literally, Platonically ideal; we're not capable of that even today, computers or not. It means that the inevitable imperfections are either too small to discern with the naked eye or add up to a functionally and aesthetically pleasing whole, regardless, and people were ABSOLUTELY capable of both in Medieval and earlier times.
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