|
Post by matte225 on Sept 30, 2018 6:47:51 GMT
|
|
|
Post by MOK on Sept 30, 2018 8:41:20 GMT
|
|
|
Post by matte225 on Sept 30, 2018 12:45:54 GMT
Ah, thank you. That doesn't look too difficult. I think it will be more annoying finding fittings I like. Also, it is for a kingston arms type XIV. The scabbard has a nice thick throat to
|
|
|
Post by matte225 on Sept 30, 2018 21:50:47 GMT
Another question. What would be a good or standard width for a belt and sword belt? I am thinking 1 inch, or 3/4th. Just trying to find fittings I like. Though seems that Tod is the only one that makes sliders and hooks for sword belts. Id rather not spend 150+ just on the fittings.
|
|
|
Post by mrbadexample on Sept 30, 2018 22:32:53 GMT
Does Raymond's Quiet Press have anything?
|
|
|
Post by matte225 on Sept 30, 2018 22:43:52 GMT
Does Raymond's Quiet Press have anything? He doesn't. But thanks for pointing him out. Might be cheaper to get fittings there too. I have been looking at Make Your Own Medieval. They seem to have similar stuff.
|
|
|
Post by leviathansteak on Oct 1, 2018 0:05:01 GMT
Another question. What would be a good or standard width for a belt and sword belt? I am thinking 1 inch, or 3/4th. Just trying to find fittings I like. Though seems that Tod is the only one that makes sliders and hooks for sword belts. Id rather not spend 150+ just on the fittings. Ive done that kind of knot for my scabbards and i find 15mm wide to work nicely
|
|
|
Post by MOK on Oct 1, 2018 2:25:10 GMT
If the fittings give you trouble, for a type XIV sword you could go for an integral laced belt; these sometimes had no metal fittings at all, just leather. Here's Tod with an example of such.
|
|
|
Post by matte225 on Oct 1, 2018 21:27:23 GMT
|
|
|
Post by strigoil on Oct 2, 2018 13:56:12 GMT
I'd suggest having a look at the scabbard making videos from Everything medieval, he's a great guy, not seen him active on the forums or anywhere else for a while however.
|
|
|
Post by Huer-Ta on Oct 2, 2018 16:49:10 GMT
The backside is typically laced in order to keep everything tight and distribute the weight of the sword/scabbard on your hip. These illustrations from Peter Johnsson and Dmicator are immensely helpful: Untitled by Steven Huerta, on Flickr Untitled by Steven Huerta, on Flickr
|
|
|
Post by matte225 on Oct 3, 2018 14:26:06 GMT
That lacing may be a bit complicated for me, with how it laces into the scabbard and all that.
I am wondering mainly now how thick to make the belt itself. Seems most were pretty thin. So maybe I should go like 20mm. I ordered a 3" wide belt blank, so I can easily cut that and have lots and lots of length to use.
|
|
|
Post by MOK on Oct 3, 2018 17:07:50 GMT
Honestly, it looks a lot more complicated than it actually is. Figure it out piece by piece, one lace at a time, and you'll see, I promise. The width of these belts varies a lot - most seem to have been fairly narrow, slightly under an inch, but then there are some showy specimens in white leather that get four, five inches wide at spots... and of course on a laced belt the width necessarily varies along the length of a single belt, too, and not only where it branches into two or three straps, either; generally it's wider near the scabbard and grows steadily narrower towards the long end.
|
|
|
Post by matte225 on Oct 3, 2018 17:53:45 GMT
Honestly, it looks a lot more complicated than it actually is. Figure it out piece by piece, one lace at a time, and you'll see, I promise. The width of these belts varies a lot - most seem to have been fairly narrow, slightly under an inch, but then there are some showy specimens in white leather that get four, five inches wide at spots... and of course on a laced belt the width necessarily varies along the length of a single belt, too, and not only where it branches into two or three straps, either; generally it's wider near the scabbard and grows steadily narrower towards the long end. I think I have a small plan. Im going to try the knotted one first. The two straps going to the hook looking more like this statue. myarmoury.com/talk/files/gattamelata_159.jpg A single strap going to the hook, and the lower strap rivets to that strap. The top one tapered to the buckle. or, going with the laced one: cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2080/1501/products/www.todsstuff.co.uk_Yeoman_scabbard_5_-_1_grande.JPG?v=1518651760 I am looking at some of tods examples, and perhaps I could get away with not having them connected by that angled bit of leather. Rivet/stud it instead of sew it as well. cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2080/1501/products/Viking_Saxon_-_Z_belt_edited-1_grande.jpg?v=1518685773 I dont even have everything ordered and hear yet though. So I got time.
|
|
|
Post by MOK on Oct 5, 2018 4:11:19 GMT
Don't use rivets. They always look out of place.
|
|
|
Post by matte225 on Oct 5, 2018 5:01:47 GMT
Don't use rivets. They always look out of place. Oh. What am i supposed to use then? Even looking at tod's stuff, I can see rivets Also, Tod sells ready made belts as well. Does anyone know off hand the width of the ones he makes?
|
|
|
Post by MOK on Oct 5, 2018 5:21:02 GMT
Oh. What am i supposed to use then? Even looking at tod's stuff, I can see rivets Well, if you can make your own rivets instead of using standard modern ones, that's different! But for a belt like this I'd just use plain ol' lacing, like you see in most of these pictures. Just poke holes in the leather and wind a thong through them. It's like stitching but much more robust, and easier than riveting, IMO. PS. Here's another, possibly clearer image of a slightly different laced arrangement (from this thread on myArmoury.com): PPS. Also some very informative pictures and diagrams in this thread!
|
|
|
Post by strigoil on Oct 5, 2018 9:04:31 GMT
Tod's belt thickness depends a bit on the fittings, but usually 2cm for his thin belts
|
|
|
Post by matte225 on Oct 7, 2018 19:35:51 GMT
Oh. What am i supposed to use then? Even looking at tod's stuff, I can see rivets Well, if you can make your own rivets instead of using standard modern ones, that's different! But for a belt like this I'd just use plain ol' lacing, like you see in most of these pictures. Just poke holes in the leather and wind a thong through them. It's like stitching but much more robust, and easier than riveting, IMO. PS. Here's another, possibly clearer image of a slightly different laced arrangement (from this thread on myArmoury.com): PPS. Also some very informative pictures and diagrams in this thread!Oh right. I am going for the knotted type right now, and needed to rivet on the belt fittings is all. I actually do not think I can even find non-modern rivets locally.
|
|
|
Post by MOK on Oct 8, 2018 4:31:41 GMT
Well, then it depends on the fittings, of course. Fortunately most buckles that have that riveted tab come with their own rivets (which you have to peen with a hammer).
|
|