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Post by Ifrit on Sept 13, 2018 9:55:12 GMT
I've considered carrying in the sleeve before. It seems like it would be a good way to go about it. Those inside breast pockets aren't terrible either. Can actually draw them quite quickly, as long as you unlock the sheath if you feel you might need it
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Post by Ifrit on Sept 13, 2018 10:09:32 GMT
Trynna cut a guy while running away would be a good way to trip, I would think. A regular dude who just wanted your wallet would probably run. A guy wanting to kill you would be angered if cut. I dealt with both sorts of people. My opinion is it depends on the guy I suppose. Not that you asked. Just my two cents that no one asked for. I don't think I will be agreed with on this one, but I'm only going by what I've actually experienced, as I do with most of my knowledge Yeah, running and trying to cut while looking behind would be potentially disastrous, as I'd probably fall on my own knife. Maybe an initial run if distance is large enough then stop if you hear anyone getting closer. If they see you pull a knife and run, there is a chance they will assume you are afraid to use it and now they know they think they have a free knife
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Post by Richard Arias on Sept 13, 2018 10:58:45 GMT
Your escalating the situation to life or death and you would be aiming for small easy to miss areas. Center mass is bigger and harder to move back. But people are good at pulling hands away quick. Maybe legs to. But in my experience in fencing 40% of all matches ended with leg cuts or stabs. avoid trying to scare people. It won't go your way most likely. Thanks for the advice, and it sounds logical. Hard to imagine a criminal not caring about getting cut, but you can't assume what an irrational, drug addled mind might be thinking. So maybe forget the intimidation effect through brandishing of knife but run if you think you can get distance. The question then would be what to do if you hear him/them nearing you and after you stopped to face them. Face & neck, particularly if there is heavier clothing. You can commit if there is one, but I think you would have to do quick jabs and slashes to keep multiples at bay, but then, if you take out one, will the others rabbit off after. Man, you don't want to get in a knife fight, because it's a hospital if your lucky (assuming they have blades and will use them). Fortunately, I don't really see myself in such a scenario walking around the block and minding my business. If it comes to your attackers being armed there is an old Chinese proverb that sums that up well. "If two tigers fight in the jungle one is dead the other is wounded". This applies to weapon fights well. Fist fights too. There is a reason I prefer Chanbara over Hema and Kendo. And that is because padded weapons aside fighting outnumbered and with mixed weapons is more common. And the padded weapons allow full speed and force hits with nothing to fear but welts and bruises. But in my Dan test they ran the format I like wich is Rondori. 4 opponents 2 minutes mixed weapons... And let me tell you even masters are likely to at the minimum need to get to an ER directly after. Dueling gives to many people a false sense of skill. I have seen great duelists fall apart outnumbered 4 to 1. 2 to 1 feels impossible if your opponents are at all confident. I have 10 years of training with bladed weapons. 7 years with guns... 15 with my fists. And every time I have come against a possibe threat I do my best to control my breathing, analyze the situation and be as neutral as possible. The reality is muscle memory and having an auto pilot that has a first move and 3 backups is what you hope makes the difference. The best tool wont matter if you can't be calm...ish, assess and act. this scene set the bar for an accurate representation of what im talking about. The only way to get there is training and practice. Someone comes at you and you snap to action aiming to put them down when they are expecting you to freeze you have a better chance of walking out alive and if your lucky uninjured. But let me tell you i ignore cat calls and insults... Taunts in general. I have been spit on and been hit with trash. None of that is something you cant just walk away from. Someone has to give me no other choice before I escalate. I would say you should attempt to be like cruise in the scene. Calm... But sneaky and trying to turn things in your favor as you assess. Training and weapons is to put things in your favor .. Not to "even things up" or be "fair". And ideally they shouldn't even know until they can do almost nothing... Think of yourself as wanting to be the equivalent of the guy in front of you that causes a pile up in traffic. By the time your attacker reacted they would be a wrecked car. Just hope you dont ever have to find out the outcome. But if you have a wood silhouette target to practiace stabbing and cutting after your draw 20mins a day will give you a reflex base that's better than nothing.
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Post by bluetrain on Sept 13, 2018 11:16:04 GMT
By the way, I mention the frequent reporting of "stabbings" in the paper. But rarely if ever is there any real description of the actual wounding, as in where, how deep, is it a slashing cut or a puncture-type wound. As you probably know, the latter is the more serious unless the cut, which in any case will be much bloodier, is very bad and which could even be disabling. Anyway, that's just to point out how difficult it is to get good and accurate information about knife wounds.
Somewhere but not recently, I ran across some good information about the wounding effects of bladed weapons, written from the standpoint of sword fighting. The author was quick to point out that swords don't really get used very much anymore for fighting but that knife wounds were pretty common in some places. The material was worth reading.
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Post by howler on Sept 13, 2018 18:57:48 GMT
Thanks for the advice, and it sounds logical. Hard to imagine a criminal not caring about getting cut, but you can't assume what an irrational, drug addled mind might be thinking. So maybe forget the intimidation effect through brandishing of knife but run if you think you can get distance. The question then would be what to do if you hear him/them nearing you and after you stopped to face them. Face & neck, particularly if there is heavier clothing. You can commit if there is one, but I think you would have to do quick jabs and slashes to keep multiples at bay, but then, if you take out one, will the others rabbit off after. Man, you don't want to get in a knife fight, because it's a hospital if your lucky (assuming they have blades and will use them). Fortunately, I don't really see myself in such a scenario walking around the block and minding my business. If it comes to your attackers being armed there is an old Chinese proverb that sums that up well. "If two tigers fight in the jungle one is dead the other is wounded". This applies to weapon fights well. Fist fights too. There is a reason I prefer Chanbara over Hema and Kendo. And that is because padded weapons aside fighting outnumbered and with mixed weapons is more common. And the padded weapons allow full speed and force hits with nothing to fear but welts and bruises. But in my Dan test they ran the format I like wich is Rondori. 4 opponents 2 minutes mixed weapons... And let me tell you even masters are likely to at the minimum need to get to an ER directly after. Dueling gives to many people a false sense of skill. I have seen great duelists fall apart outnumbered 4 to 1. 2 to 1 feels impossible if your opponents are at all confident. I have 10 years of training with bladed weapons. 7 years with guns... 15 with my fists. And every time I have come against a possibe threat I do my best to control my breathing, analyze the situation and be as neutral as possible. The reality is muscle memory and having an auto pilot that has a first move and 3 backups is what you hope makes the difference. The best tool wont matter if you can't be calm...ish, assess and act. this scene set the bar for an accurate representation of what im talking about. The only way to get there is training and practice. Someone comes at you and you snap to action aiming to put them down when they are expecting you to freeze you have a better chance of walking out alive and if your lucky uninjured. But let me tell you i ignore cat calls and insults... Taunts in general. I have been spit on and been hit with trash. None of that is something you cant just walk away from. Someone has to give me no other choice before I escalate. I would say you should attempt to be like cruise in the scene. Calm... But sneaky and trying to turn things in your favor as you assess. Training and weapons is to put things in your favor .. Not to "even things up" or be "fair". And ideally they shouldn't even know until they can do almost nothing... Think of yourself as wanting to be the equivalent of the guy in front of you that causes a pile up in traffic. By the time your attacker reacted they would be a wrecked car. Just hope you dont ever have to find out the outcome. But if you have a wood silhouette target to practiace stabbing and cutting after your draw 20mins a day will give you a reflex base that's better than nothing. Yup, first rule of a fight is only doing so if you HAVE TO. People die by hitting their heads on the ground after being punched. Assume any physical confrontation can have a potentially deadly outcome. Firearms are a game changer, of course, and you must prepare for bad guys being armed...a bigger reason still not to get in beefs/road rage with strangers. The bad guy walking up to Cruises swatting distance (with a ballistic range weapon like a gun) was truly stupid (20ft rule).
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Post by howler on Sept 13, 2018 19:00:51 GMT
Yeah, running and trying to cut while looking behind would be potentially disastrous, as I'd probably fall on my own knife. Maybe an initial run if distance is large enough then stop if you hear anyone getting closer. If they see you pull a knife and run, there is a chance they will assume you are afraid to use it and now they know they think they have a free knife Certainly best just to run, Trap. If you can, of course. Also, if you pull a knife on some punk(s), one of them could be armed with a gun and shoot in rage.
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Post by bluetrain on Sept 13, 2018 19:43:44 GMT
Remember that anyone can read the comments on this forum but chances are, nothing revolutionary is going to be mentioned.
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Post by Richard Arias on Sept 13, 2018 21:07:18 GMT
If it comes to your attackers being armed there is an old Chinese proverb that sums that up well. "If two tigers fight in the jungle one is dead the other is wounded". This applies to weapon fights well. Fist fights too. There is a reason I prefer Chanbara over Hema and Kendo. And that is because padded weapons aside fighting outnumbered and with mixed weapons is more common. And the padded weapons allow full speed and force hits with nothing to fear but welts and bruises. But in my Dan test they ran the format I like wich is Rondori. 4 opponents 2 minutes mixed weapons... And let me tell you even masters are likely to at the minimum need to get to an ER directly after. Dueling gives to many people a false sense of skill. I have seen great duelists fall apart outnumbered 4 to 1. 2 to 1 feels impossible if your opponents are at all confident. I have 10 years of training with bladed weapons. 7 years with guns... 15 with my fists. And every time I have come against a possibe threat I do my best to control my breathing, analyze the situation and be as neutral as possible. The reality is muscle memory and having an auto pilot that has a first move and 3 backups is what you hope makes the difference. The best tool wont matter if you can't be calm...ish, assess and act. this scene set the bar for an accurate representation of what im talking about. The only way to get there is training and practice. Someone comes at you and you snap to action aiming to put them down when they are expecting you to freeze you have a better chance of walking out alive and if your lucky uninjured. But let me tell you i ignore cat calls and insults... Taunts in general. I have been spit on and been hit with trash. None of that is something you cant just walk away from. Someone has to give me no other choice before I escalate. I would say you should attempt to be like cruise in the scene. Calm... But sneaky and trying to turn things in your favor as you assess. Training and weapons is to put things in your favor .. Not to "even things up" or be "fair". And ideally they shouldn't even know until they can do almost nothing... Think of yourself as wanting to be the equivalent of the guy in front of you that causes a pile up in traffic. By the time your attacker reacted they would be a wrecked car. Just hope you dont ever have to find out the outcome. But if you have a wood silhouette target to practiace stabbing and cutting after your draw 20mins a day will give you a reflex base that's better than nothing. Yup, first rule of a fight is only doing so if you HAVE TO. People die by hitting their heads on the ground after being punched. Assume any physical confrontation can have a potentially deadly outcome. Firearms are a game changer, of course, and you must prepare for bad guys being armed...a bigger reason still not to get in beefs/road rage with strangers. The bad guy walking up to Cruises swatting distance (with a ballistic range weapon like a gun) was truly stupid (20ft rule). Well the scenario is accurate to defensive pistol distance. Its why I cringe whenever a professional reviewer puts a pistol on a rest and shoots 25 yards when it's a Carry pistol. I rarely practice beyond 10 yards with a pistol for defensive shooting. But replace cruises gun with a knife and just have two guys and you still get the basic gist of what I'm talking about. That scene is so stereotypical but all of my defensive engagements were very similar. Which is why I look back on all of them frustrated at how stupid the situations were. Weather I was walking home with groceries, leaving a bar with friends or coming home from work. Sometimes people will do something because they feel they can. The OP would have to have such a scenario in mind when weighing his EDC choice. Some variant of the scenario is on my mind when carrying my EDC folder or CCW pistol.
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Post by howler on Sept 13, 2018 23:26:40 GMT
Yup, first rule of a fight is only doing so if you HAVE TO. People die by hitting their heads on the ground after being punched. Assume any physical confrontation can have a potentially deadly outcome. Firearms are a game changer, of course, and you must prepare for bad guys being armed...a bigger reason still not to get in beefs/road rage with strangers. The bad guy walking up to Cruises swatting distance (with a ballistic range weapon like a gun) was truly stupid (20ft rule). Well the scenario is accurate to defensive pistol distance. Its why I cringe whenever a professional reviewer puts a pistol on a rest and shoots 25 yards when it's a Carry pistol. I rarely practice beyond 10 yards with a pistol for defensive shooting. But replace cruises gun with a knife and just have two guys and you still get the basic gist of what I'm talking about. That scene is so stereotypical but all of my defensive engagements were very similar. Which is why I look back on all of them frustrated at how stupid the situations were. Weather I was walking home with groceries, leaving a bar with friends or coming home from work. Sometimes people will do something because they feel they can. The OP would have to have such a scenario in mind when weighing his EDC choice. Some variant of the scenario is on my mind when carrying my EDC folder or CCW pistol. Agree. Naturally, regarding movie scene for civilians (as we aren't pretending in a movie to be a professional psycho killer ), the thing to do is give your wallet to the punks, as they have "the drop" on you (even if they are dumb enough to get within touching distance), and we are also talking multiple assailants. Attempting to be James Bond over material possession's is not worth your (or the bad guys) life.
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Post by howler on Sept 13, 2018 23:29:56 GMT
Remember that anyone can read the comments on this forum but chances are, nothing revolutionary is going to be mentioned. Darn it, and I was JUST about to show off my prototype laser stun gun and defensive force field.
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Post by Ifrit on Sept 14, 2018 0:08:20 GMT
Remember that anyone can read the comments on this forum but chances are, nothing revolutionary is going to be mentioned. Darn it, and I was JUST about to show off my prototype laser stun gun and defensive force field. Wouldn't work. Advanced technology against an angry guy? Not a chance
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2018 0:20:22 GMT
No suggestions for a flashlight? Actually has a deterrent effect. Likely no legal ramifications. Don't have to make up a goofy awkward excuse if you happen to get "caught" with it. Can help you cross the street. Taking it out is significantly more likely to de-escalate a situation rather than escalate it. Useful in a variety of situations.
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Post by Ifrit on Sept 14, 2018 0:24:28 GMT
No suggestions for a flashlight? Actually has a deterrent effect. Likely no legal ramifications. Don't have to make up a goofy awkward excuse if you happen to get "caught" with it. Can help you cross the street. Taking it out is significantly more likely to de-escalate a situation rather than escalate it. Useful in a variety of situations. I actually got myself a flashlight for this reason. Even just to blind them with the strobe, making any other defensive action easier to do, could be an advantage (notice I say could be. Not is definitely. But it could be). I keep the philosophy that its better to have as many advantages as you can. Sap gloves, strobe flashlight, walking stick/extendable baton, knife. But walking around with all that might weight down your pockets to an annoying degree I imagine. Unless you wanna sport a fanny pack lol.
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Post by treeslicer on Sept 14, 2018 0:47:04 GMT
Remember that anyone can read the comments on this forum but chances are, nothing revolutionary is going to be mentioned. Darn it, and I was JUST about to show off my prototype laser stun gun and defensive force field. Stay away from my patents!! I carry an attorney, and I'm not afraid to use him.
All very interesting. My suggestions on what to carry are:
1) A concealed carry permit. 2) An authentic thousand-yard-stare combined with alertness and a relaxed, purposeful manner of movement that will stop a lot of crap before it happens.
3) A genuine killer attitude, zero squeamishness, and no hesitation. With that, the weapon used is secondary. Whatever you carry, you have to be willing and able to use it effectively.
4) Whatever you prefer, gun, knife, icepick, cane with extras, as long as you're good with it. I got out of a really nasty situation once with a busted soda-pop bottle. My preference in a knife is a razor sharp one you can flip open on the draw.
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Post by RufusScorpius on Sept 14, 2018 1:29:08 GMT
I've always been of the mind that whatever knife I have on me at the time is my EDC/self-defense/survival knife. I'm of the opinion that there does NOT exist "one knife to rule them all". A knife is a tool, and a tool that tries to do everything at once does nothing well.
I carry a Mercator K55K in my pocket and a higo-no-kami in my wallet. I find the Mercator to be slim enough to carry everywhere and I never feel it in my pocket. It's a good all around knife for day to day tasks like cutting rope or opening a package, or even some boredom whittling. It's good enough I can defend myself with it (in fact, it was the preferred knife of NYC gangs back in the 50's and 60's), and I could do some light survival tasks with it if the situation arises. But I have no illusions that it's a one-n-done kind of blade. I can do many things with it, but I also understand it's limitations.
For a pure woodcraft survival type knife I have a Puma White Hunter. I carried it with me for almost 20 years in the Army, and I use it every time I go camping now. It's a masterful woodsman knife, but rather poor for daily carry due to it's size and blade shape.
For a fighting/self-defense knife I choose one of my military style fighting knives, either NATO or Warsaw Pact design, both are just as good. No better knife for fighting with than a knife actually designed to fight with.
Different knives, different purposes. And the higo in my wallet? That's just there in case I do a bonehead move and forget my carry knife. Never hurts to have a back up sharp.
There are tons of knives on the market, many are excellent and will serve you well. Which one you choose is going to be a very personall decision on your part. My only advice is to buy a knife from a BRAND NAME knife maker (Case, Buck, Spyderco, etc) and avoid at all costs any blade made in China or Pakistan. Whatever knife you carry, you have to trust that it will work. And lastly, when it comes to knives, you really do get what you pay for.
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Post by treeslicer on Sept 14, 2018 1:55:47 GMT
Darn it, and I was JUST about to show off my prototype laser stun gun and defensive force field. Stay away from my patents!! I carry an attorney, and I'm not afraid to use him.
All very interesting. My suggestions on what to carry are:
1) A concealed carry permit. 2) An authentic thousand-yard-stare combined with alertness and a relaxed, purposeful manner of movement that will stop a lot of crap before it happens.
3) A genuine killer attitude, zero squeamishness, and no hesitation. With that, the weapon used is secondary. Whatever you carry, you have to be willing and able to use it effectively.
4) Whatever you prefer, gun, knife, icepick, cane with extras, as long as you're good with it. I got out of a really nasty situation once with a busted soda-pop bottle. My preference in a knife is a razor sharp one you can flip open on the draw.
Now, a little aside. What I said above assumes that you are being attacked, and disengagement's no option. If you can get clear, do so.
Some years ago, when I was on an assignment in a large, nasty, city, I happened to walk into a pawn shop as an armed robbery was going on. All the people inside were on the floor with their hands behind their heads except for a punk who had both hands in the cash register and his gun laying on the countertop. He looks at me, and says "Get on the floor". I took a step backward through the door I'd not fully entered, got back in my car, left, and called the local cops. On my home turf, I would have done otherwise (could have), but I wasn't, and I didn't.
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Post by howler on Sept 14, 2018 7:04:15 GMT
Darn it, and I was JUST about to show off my prototype laser stun gun and defensive force field. Wouldn't work. Advanced technology against an angry guy? Not a chance Gotta rock it old school like Captain Kirk did against the Gorn with the improvised cannon made out of bamboo. A phaser and Borg type energy shield still wouldn't hurt. I just thru out a lot of nerd in those two sentences, didn't I. I must need a girlfriend...or an expensive knife or something.
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Post by howler on Sept 14, 2018 7:09:02 GMT
No suggestions for a flashlight? Actually has a deterrent effect. Likely no legal ramifications. Don't have to make up a goofy awkward excuse if you happen to get "caught" with it. Can help you cross the street. Taking it out is significantly more likely to de-escalate a situation rather than escalate it. Useful in a variety of situations. And with multiple D batteries, you are talking about a nasty club. I've carried one around the block on walks.
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Post by howler on Sept 14, 2018 7:19:13 GMT
Darn it, and I was JUST about to show off my prototype laser stun gun and defensive force field. Stay away from my patents!! I carry an attorney, and I'm not afraid to use him.
All very interesting. My suggestions on what to carry are:
1) A concealed carry permit. 2) An authentic thousand-yard-stare combined with alertness and a relaxed, purposeful manner of movement that will stop a lot of crap before it happens.
3) A genuine killer attitude, zero squeamishness, and no hesitation. With that, the weapon used is secondary. Whatever you carry, you have to be willing and able to use it effectively.
4) Whatever you prefer, gun, knife, icepick, cane with extras, as long as you're good with it. I got out of a really nasty situation once with a busted soda-pop bottle. My preference in a knife is a razor sharp one you can flip open on the draw.
This is all a detailed way of saying that the single most important thing is a calm, rational, educated, non chemically altered brain...the tool between ones ears.
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Post by howler on Sept 14, 2018 7:32:49 GMT
I've always been of the mind that whatever knife I have on me at the time is my EDC/self-defense/survival knife. I'm of the opinion that there does NOT exist "one knife to rule them all". A knife is a tool, and a tool that tries to do everything at once does nothing well. I carry a Mercator K55K in my pocket and a higo-no-kami in my wallet. I find the Mercator to be slim enough to carry everywhere and I never feel it in my pocket. It's a good all around knife for day to day tasks like cutting rope or opening a package, or even some boredom whittling. It's good enough I can defend myself with it (in fact, it was the preferred knife of NYC gangs back in the 50's and 60's), and I could do some light survival tasks with it if the situation arises. But I have no illusions that it's a one-n-done kind of blade. I can do many things with it, but I also understand it's limitations. For a pure woodcraft survival type knife I have a Puma White Hunter. I carried it with me for almost 20 years in the Army, and I use it every time I go camping now. It's a masterful woodsman knife, but rather poor for daily carry due to it's size and blade shape. For a fighting/self-defense knife I choose one of my military style fighting knives, either NATO or Warsaw Pact design, both are just as good. No better knife for fighting with than a knife actually designed to fight with. Different knives, different purposes. And the higo in my wallet? That's just there in case I do a bonehead move and forget my carry knife. Never hurts to have a back up sharp. There are tons of knives on the market, many are excellent and will serve you well. Which one you choose is going to be a very personall decision on your part. My only advice is to buy a knife from a BRAND NAME knife maker (Case, Buck, Spyderco, etc) and avoid at all costs any blade made in China or Pakistan. Whatever knife you carry, you have to trust that it will work. And lastly, when it comes to knives, you really do get what you pay for. I would agree on the China thing (lowest common denominator junk to the masses) except for a few addendums. One would be known knife makers, as you could have master crafters and artisans. The other would be Chinese manufacturers that work under contract for well known knife companies with proper quality control.
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