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Post by Richard Arias on Sept 12, 2018 2:50:31 GMT
You can actually tighten the nut that holds the blade. I always preferred mine to have a bit of friction I agree with the rest of what you have said. I tried use the Ti-Lite for utility, and it doesn't do that very well. Utility will get way more use out of any knife you carry. I feel a cold steel walking stick is a better choice for defense in most cases, as its not hard to wack someone on the head. But killing someone is something that would stick with you for a while *edit* Based on experiences I recently had, another reason I prefer a bludgeon for self defense is that how much more willing you would be to wack someone. Sure, it might not stop them the first time, but with knives, you are basically in a stand off, waiting to find an opening to use it, or wrestling and trying to make sure it isn't used on you. A knife works best as a first action. It is kind of poo for defense. So unless you frequently walk into shady allies (where you are willing to randomly stab at everything that scares you/comes near to you), I suggest a walking stick.... Unless you challenge them to a knife fight. But knives are way more likely to get you in trouble, so I don't recommend it All this just came to me, and I felt it was worth sharing I disagree with your IOU for the OP massively. Yes I used to teach a class using a cane for self defense. And there are things you just cant get around. Unless our OP is really strong it takes multiple hits pretty much peppering your opponent. And any walking stick or cane does not have the weight or leverage of a baseball bat. Very few people can deliver a stopping blow under pressure without a lot of training. Multiple attackers forget it your closed in on and your bludgeon is seized. A stick hurts.... A stab massively injures with way less force and effort. Ease of carry is something else a bludgeon sucks at. They are large and instantly noticeable. You tighten your grip and start to swing something people notice. Again a knife wins here because I carry my kershaw in my back pocket. So if you close gap on me you will be wounded. With a knife wound to the right spot you can be crippled or killed with way less force... But with your attacker much closer as a trade off. But a bludgeon can be grabbed. You grab a razor sharp knife you wont hold it long and it will cost you a nasty flesh wound. Im talking a life or death situation. And in that im looking to send my attacker to the ER at the minimum but im aiming for the morgue. If its not that type of situation then stick or knife need not be used. Yeah statistically you have an 85% chance of getting home safe in the US. But I carry for that 15% and am not looking to add more risk than needed...effectiveness for self defense with minimal training goes 1. Gun 2. Edged Weapon 3 tazers or pepper spray 4. Blunt Impact 5. Bare hands. And I know people going "pepepr spray or a taser over a bludgeon... WTF?" And to that I say they are more effective at neutralizing threats with less training. Trying to teach self defense workshops taught me that. We we are all built with the caveman ability to swing something... But there are to many issues to pick it as #1.
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Post by Ifrit on Sept 12, 2018 3:01:41 GMT
You can actually tighten the nut that holds the blade. I always preferred mine to have a bit of friction I agree with the rest of what you have said. I tried use the Ti-Lite for utility, and it doesn't do that very well. Utility will get way more use out of any knife you carry. I feel a cold steel walking stick is a better choice for defense in most cases, as its not hard to wack someone on the head. But killing someone is something that would stick with you for a while *edit* Based on experiences I recently had, another reason I prefer a bludgeon for self defense is that how much more willing you would be to wack someone. Sure, it might not stop them the first time, but with knives, you are basically in a stand off, waiting to find an opening to use it, or wrestling and trying to make sure it isn't used on you. A knife works best as a first action. It is kind of poo for defense. So unless you frequently walk into shady allies (where you are willing to randomly stab at everything that scares you/comes near to you), I suggest a walking stick.... Unless you challenge them to a knife fight. But knives are way more likely to get you in trouble, so I don't recommend it All this just came to me, and I felt it was worth sharing I disagree with your IOU for the OP massively. Yes I used to teach a class using a cane for self defense. And there are things you just cant get around. Unless our OP is really strong it takes multiple hits pretty much peppering your opponent. And any walking stick or cane does not have the weight or leverage of a baseball bat. Very few people can deliver a stopping blow under pressure without a lot of training. Multiple attackers forget it your closed in on and your bludgeon is seized. A stick hurts.... A stab massively injures with way less force and effort. Ease of carry is something else a bludgeon sucks at. They are large and instantly noticeable. You tighten your grip and start to swing something people notice. Again a knife wins here because I carry my kershaw in my back pocket. So if you close gap on me you will be wounded. With a knife wound to the right spot you can be crippled or killed with way less force... But with your attacker much closer as a trade off. But a bludgeon can be grabbed. You grab a razor sharp knife you wont hold it long and it will cost you a nasty flesh wound. Im talking a life or death situation. And in that im looking to send my attacker to the ER at the minimum but im aiming for the morgue. If its not that type of situation then stick or knife need not be used. Yeah statistically you have an 85% chance of getting home safe in the US. But I carry for that 15% and am not looking to add more risk than needed...effectiveness for self defense with minimal training goes 1. Gun 2. Edged Weapon 3 tazers or pepper spray 4. Blunt Impact 5. Bare hands. And I know people going "pepepr spray or a taser over a bludgeon... WTF?" And to that I say they are more effective at neutralizing threats with less training. Trying to teach self defense workshops taught me that. We we are all built with the caveman ability to swing something... But there are to many issues to pick it as #1. Cold steel makes some fantastic walking sticks with a good bludgeoning end. But i suppose I can see your point, they just aren't as easy to carry. I think one could make it work, but personally, I would prefer a bludgeoning weapon. I got a pretty wicked swing. But it depends on the opponent of course. Personally, I would prefer not to kill a dude and get charged with manslaughter. Would be a lot easier to get away with this with a walking stick than a knife. Also, I forgot about tazers and pepper spray, due to the fact I can't really get those in Canada. And I can only recommend what I personally know. I would hate to recommend a tazer only for someone to tell me they suck. But we are looking for maximum effectiveness and are willing to straight up murder someone cause we aren't trained enough to use something less lethal? Sword cane. Sure someone will see you, and you will likely go to jail, but its the most effective, and least risk taking. Just whip it out at anyone you think is gonna give you problems. I am not serious about that one by the way, lol. But I am not sure what USA laws are like, but there isn't many situations where I can avoid jail if I kill someone with a knife. And if they live, they are only gonna be able to charge me for attempted murder. In this regard, I still prefer a bludgeon. Especially if it is not obvious that it is meant to be used as a weapon But if its life or death, there is always a bowie kept under a jacket
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Post by Richard Arias on Sept 12, 2018 3:40:41 GMT
I disagree with your IOU for the OP massively. Yes I used to teach a class using a cane for self defense. And there are things you just cant get around. Unless our OP is really strong it takes multiple hits pretty much peppering your opponent. And any walking stick or cane does not have the weight or leverage of a baseball bat. Very few people can deliver a stopping blow under pressure without a lot of training. Multiple attackers forget it your closed in on and your bludgeon is seized. A stick hurts.... A stab massively injures with way less force and effort. Ease of carry is something else a bludgeon sucks at. They are large and instantly noticeable. You tighten your grip and start to swing something people notice. Again a knife wins here because I carry my kershaw in my back pocket. So if you close gap on me you will be wounded. With a knife wound to the right spot you can be crippled or killed with way less force... But with your attacker much closer as a trade off. But a bludgeon can be grabbed. You grab a razor sharp knife you wont hold it long and it will cost you a nasty flesh wound. Im talking a life or death situation. And in that im looking to send my attacker to the ER at the minimum but im aiming for the morgue. If its not that type of situation then stick or knife need not be used. Yeah statistically you have an 85% chance of getting home safe in the US. But I carry for that 15% and am not looking to add more risk than needed...effectiveness for self defense with minimal training goes 1. Gun 2. Edged Weapon 3 tazers or pepper spray 4. Blunt Impact 5. Bare hands. And I know people going "pepepr spray or a taser over a bludgeon... WTF?" And to that I say they are more effective at neutralizing threats with less training. Trying to teach self defense workshops taught me that. We we are all built with the caveman ability to swing something... But there are to many issues to pick it as #1. Cold steel makes some fantastic walking sticks with a good bludgeoning end. But i suppose I can see your point, they just aren't as easy to carry. I think one could make it work, but personally, I would prefer a bludgeoning weapon. I got a pretty wicked swing. But it depends on the opponent of course. Personally, I would prefer not to kill a dude and get charged with manslaughter. Would be a lot easier to get away with this with a walking stick than a knife. Also, I forgot about tazers and pepper spray, due to the fact I can't really get those in Canada. And I can only recommend what I personally know. I would hate to recommend a tazer only for someone to tell me they suck. But we are looking for maximum effectiveness and are willing to straight up murder someone cause we aren't trained enough to use something less lethal? Sword cane. Sure someone will see you, and you will likely go to jail, but its the most effective, and least risk taking. Just whip it out at anyone you think is gonna give you problems. I am not serious about that one by the way, lol. But I am not sure what USA laws are like, but there isn't many situations where I can avoid jail if I kill someone with a knife. And if they live, they are only gonna be able to charge me for attempted murder. In this regard, I still prefer a bludgeon. Especially if it is not obvious that it is meant to be used as a weapon But if its life or death, there is always a bowie kept under a jacket I get what your saying and your intentions are noble. But ethically when I coach anyone in Kung Fu, Edged Weapons or Pistols you have to expain escalations and the risks of a situation. I hate violence and I think nobody wins you just survive. As a gun owner for 8 years I have only had to draw 3 times. In knife carry only 4. With the pistol all 3 times my attackers thought better of it and walked away. Knife wise there are a few men that have scars from knife wounds but are alive. Fist fights much more than that. But every time I treated the situation as one I would not walk away from if I underestimated the situation. A trained person might get away with going easier on an attacker and that's a big might because all training and weapons do is increase odds and probability. I would rather go through life not having to know all the things I know in terms of hurting people and teaching people how to hurt. But its not the world we live in. Sometimes people will make a move on you because they can. That is a sad fact that keeps me up sometimes. Hoping the people I teach stay in the 85% that get home safe and dont wind up among the 15% who don't. Yes our OP will have to put effort into it. But $35 for a folder and 20mins a day of practice is a small price to pay to build an auto pilot that could save his life one day. I would prefer students I teach did an hour a day with knives and bludgeons fists ex. But most people just dont want to spend the time. But they can justify 20mins maybe 30. Just like some home workout video. đ
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Sept 12, 2018 4:52:26 GMT
Did someone say bludgeon? Sap or blackjack (not my picture). One hit wonders. But, that's not what OP asked for...
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Post by Ifrit on Sept 12, 2018 6:14:39 GMT
Cold steel makes some fantastic walking sticks with a good bludgeoning end. But i suppose I can see your point, they just aren't as easy to carry. I think one could make it work, but personally, I would prefer a bludgeoning weapon. I got a pretty wicked swing. But it depends on the opponent of course. Personally, I would prefer not to kill a dude and get charged with manslaughter. Would be a lot easier to get away with this with a walking stick than a knife. Also, I forgot about tazers and pepper spray, due to the fact I can't really get those in Canada. And I can only recommend what I personally know. I would hate to recommend a tazer only for someone to tell me they suck. But we are looking for maximum effectiveness and are willing to straight up murder someone cause we aren't trained enough to use something less lethal? Sword cane. Sure someone will see you, and you will likely go to jail, but its the most effective, and least risk taking. Just whip it out at anyone you think is gonna give you problems. I am not serious about that one by the way, lol. But I am not sure what USA laws are like, but there isn't many situations where I can avoid jail if I kill someone with a knife. And if they live, they are only gonna be able to charge me for attempted murder. In this regard, I still prefer a bludgeon. Especially if it is not obvious that it is meant to be used as a weapon But if its life or death, there is always a bowie kept under a jacket    I get what your saying and your intentions are noble. But ethically when I coach anyone in Kung Fu, Edged Weapons or Pistols you have to expain escalations and the risks of a situation. I hate violence and I think nobody wins you just survive. As a gun owner for 8 years I have only had to draw 3 times. In knife carry only 4. With the pistol all 3 times my attackers thought better of it and walked away. Knife wise there are a few men that have scars from knife wounds but are alive. Fist fights much more than that. But every time I treated the situation as one I would not walk away from if I underestimated the situation. A trained person might get away with going easier on an attacker and that's a big might because all training and weapons do is increase odds and probability.    I would rather go through life not having to know all the things I know in terms of hurting people and teaching people how to hurt. But its not the world we live in. Sometimes people will make a move on you because they can. That is a sad fact that keeps me up sometimes. Hoping the people I teach stay in the 85% that get home safe and dont wind up among the 15% who don't.     Yes our OP will have to put effort into it. But $35 for a folder and 20mins a day of practice is a small price to pay to build an auto pilot that could save his life one day. I would prefer students I teach did an hour a day with knives and bludgeons fists ex. But most people just dont want to spend the time. But they can justify 20mins maybe 30. Just like some home workout video. đ     Fair enough, you make some excellent points. Was a good chat. Other than the Ti-lite, I am not sure what folders I've liked most. Spyderco is always great. When I find a link, I'll link the one i used to have. For both utility and defense, I feel it's a good way to go
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Post by Ifrit on Sept 12, 2018 6:15:06 GMT
Did someone say bludgeon? Sap or blackjack (not my picture). One hit wonders. But, that's not what OP asked for... Man. I gotta get me that second one. That would be a fantastic self defense tool
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Post by Richard Arias on Sept 12, 2018 6:29:09 GMT
Did someone say bludgeon? Sap or blackjack (not my picture). One hit wonders. But, that's not what OP asked for... Nothing is a one hit wonder. I have a book that shows a guy who got hit with a steel pipe wrench and with his jaw hanging still strangled the man who hit him. Gun knife or Bludgeon... Minimum 2 preferably 3 hits stabs or shots. I have had a sap before. They are big and often clumsy. The skimny ones on the left of your picture were the butt of a joke during an improvised weapons workshop I helped in. They are to floppy one instructor joked "feels like hitting somone with a giant semprini".... And he wasn't wrong đ
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Sept 12, 2018 6:43:39 GMT
Point taken, but you know as well as I do that a hit to the brainbox with a sap will shut the lights off in a way that long, light impact weapons like a cane just can't.
Come to think of it, a TASER's kind of a one-hit wonder. Either you get a connection and it works or you don't and it doesn't. They shut me right down. I can't anything but scream like Luke Skywalker and fall down when those probes hit me.
A kukri's what I would call a one-hit wonder. One good percussive cut and something important's getting cleft. I guess that's why I like the Rajah II.
I've pulled the cord on a 155mm Howitzer. That's a one-hit wonder.
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Post by Richard Arias on Sept 12, 2018 6:51:19 GMT
I get what your saying and your intentions are noble. But ethically when I coach anyone in Kung Fu, Edged Weapons or Pistols you have to expain escalations and the risks of a situation. I hate violence and I think nobody wins you just survive. As a gun owner for 8 years I have only had to draw 3 times. In knife carry only 4. With the pistol all 3 times my attackers thought better of it and walked away. Knife wise there are a few men that have scars from knife wounds but are alive. Fist fights much more than that. But every time I treated the situation as one I would not walk away from if I underestimated the situation. A trained person might get away with going easier on an attacker and that's a big might because all training and weapons do is increase odds and probability. I would rather go through life not having to know all the things I know in terms of hurting people and teaching people how to hurt. But its not the world we live in. Sometimes people will make a move on you because they can. That is a sad fact that keeps me up sometimes. Hoping the people I teach stay in the 85% that get home safe and dont wind up among the 15% who don't. Yes our OP will have to put effort into it. But $35 for a folder and 20mins a day of practice is a small price to pay to build an auto pilot that could save his life one day. I would prefer students I teach did an hour a day with knives and bludgeons fists ex. But most people just dont want to spend the time. But they can justify 20mins maybe 30. Just like some home workout video. đ Fair enough, you make some excellent points. Was a good chat. Other than the Ti-lite, I am not sure what folders I've liked most. Spyderco is always great. When I find a link, I'll link the one i used to have. For both utility and defense, I feel it's a good way to go Well I have the counter point. And its nice and beefy. But is bulky and slow to deploy because of a grip tape like grip surface. The OP will have to consider his actual clothes and what he carries daily. That instantly decides what you want to make room for in EDC of any self defense tool. Spyderco in general is pretty solid even there cheap models are effective. Sorry if I seem to really want to drive points home. Its just that in the dojo or at the range I see people make suggestions that get blindly followed without any consideration or investigation. Its not like I have massive amounts of taught classes. I only have a couple hundred hours as an instructor. But even in that time you see people bungle what should be simple. And you scratch your head going "how did they screw that up?" So I worry when people give an answer without contextual data and homework for the person asking. I actually talked myself right out of a job at a range because an instructor was trying to get this woman to buy a glock 22 for CCW... Now a glock is a fine gun .40 is an interesting round. But to push a first time shooter to a bulky auto? They had me waiting hours for an interview so I took her back on the range with some rentals... And wouldn't you know it she was a natural with a 5 shot smith bodyguard. Double action and all she was center mass at 10 yards after two boxes of .38.... She was missing the silhouette completely with the glock. Later the instructor and the floor manager informed me the profits were better on glocks than smiths... And my answer was "so sell her a gun she cant shoot as well risking her life for a couple bucks?"... Spoiler alert I didnt get the job đ There are a million things that I could be more lethal with and that I like. But as an instructor the hard part is you have to play with all the toys you hate because they might be good for a student. Ethically people forget that a lot. But I appreciate the conversation. At least you had a train of thought. I grow tired of shops and ranges just telling people they need glocks or 1911s or X fixed blades over Y folders just because. đ
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Post by Richard Arias on Sept 12, 2018 7:04:09 GMT
Point taken, but you know as well as I do that a hit to the brainbox with a sap will shut the lights off in a way that long, light impact weapons like a cane just can't. Come to think of it, a TASER's kind of a one-hit wonder. Either you get a connection and it works or you don't and it doesn't. They shut me right down. I can't anything but scream like Luke Skywalker and fall down when those probes hit me. A kukri's what I would call a one-hit wonder. One good percussive cut and something important's getting cleft. I guess that's why I like the Rajah II. I've pulled the cord on a 155mm Howitzer. That's a one-hit wonder. Rory Miller put it perfect in saying that he had seen something that should have never worked succeed and something that always works fail on the street. I have watched a guy take a rebar hit to the head. Blood pouring down and skull showing he was still swinging. So im sorry but a sap is only a 1 hit stop in my favorite Noir novels and movies. They can give confidence that makes the difference. A person can be killed by damaging less than 2% of total mass... But sometimes its not that easy. Because you are always the weak link. There were a million instructors like me that lied and said "remember your training and you'll survive"... I dont tell any student that tools and training just improve odds.
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Post by bluetrain on Sept 12, 2018 9:56:38 GMT
This may not be helpful but don't fall for the claim that assailants are cowards. They are very likely to have a lot more experience at fighting than you are and moreover, are probably used to being hurt, like boxers are. Don't be afraid to run.
If I were serious about carrying a knife for self-defense, which I don't, I'd want to have a fixed blade knife. Not a big hunting knife, not a "neck knife," and not one that is too long. It has to be carried concealed. It has to be easily deployed. But if the police ever got involved, which would not necessarily happen, be prepared to explain the knife. You might even have to explain why you're there to begin with. Regarding the fixed blade point, though, I have no experience with any of the so-called automatic knives these days. But the other considerations still apply.
As far as specific knives go, I think the Rex Applegate designs are the best, although they are expensive. Some are folders. They are all essentially redesigns of the original Fairbairn fighting knife, with a stouter blade and a better grip. I imagine there are similar knives selling for less, probably from Cold Steel. Even some reproductions of antique stilettos might be suitable.
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Post by legacyofthesword on Sept 12, 2018 19:46:53 GMT
Get something that's fricking sharp. Shaving sharp. I think that's more important than blade shape or things like that. Oh, and make sure you can get it out and get a good grip on it fast. Fixed blades are better than folders, but some (most) areas don't allow concealed fix blades, so you may be stuck with folders. Something like a switch-blade, assisted opener or wave opener would be good, you don't want to fumble with a thumbstud opener in a situation where your fine motor skills are deteriorating due to intense stress and fear.
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Post by bebut on Sept 12, 2018 20:54:06 GMT
I'm old enough to carry a cane and look the part, just too lazy to try it yet. I do carry a cane when walking the dogs in the morning but it is more for other dogs than for people. Actually, I have found it a little useless for dogs because Latin American dogs are trained from birth to turn and run when you reach down and pick up a rock, so the cane just gets in the way. Maybe I need to train in throwing rocks? I betcha in the history of the world more people have died from rocks than pocket knives!
Anyway, when I have pondered using a cane for SD my thoughts were in breaking wrists as a diversion or shooting their Adams apple to the back pocket with a jab. Incidentally, my home made cane is not light.
I will eventually get a 3 or 4 inch Spyderco as mention in a post above. It is legal in many places. But, and this is the big BUT, I view a knife as a stealth weapon or a desperation weapon. Hopefully he would be cut severely before he even knew I had a knife. Every second a fight lasts means there is less chance for me to come out of it good.
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Sept 12, 2018 21:03:39 GMT
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Post by howler on Sept 13, 2018 4:36:36 GMT
Cold steel makes some fantastic walking sticks with a good bludgeoning end. But i suppose I can see your point, they just aren't as easy to carry. I think one could make it work, but personally, I would prefer a bludgeoning weapon. I got a pretty wicked swing. But it depends on the opponent of course. Personally, I would prefer not to kill a dude and get charged with manslaughter. Would be a lot easier to get away with this with a walking stick than a knife. Also, I forgot about tazers and pepper spray, due to the fact I can't really get those in Canada. And I can only recommend what I personally know. I would hate to recommend a tazer only for someone to tell me they suck. But we are looking for maximum effectiveness and are willing to straight up murder someone cause we aren't trained enough to use something less lethal? Sword cane. Sure someone will see you, and you will likely go to jail, but its the most effective, and least risk taking. Just whip it out at anyone you think is gonna give you problems. I am not serious about that one by the way, lol. But I am not sure what USA laws are like, but there isn't many situations where I can avoid jail if I kill someone with a knife. And if they live, they are only gonna be able to charge me for attempted murder. In this regard, I still prefer a bludgeon. Especially if it is not obvious that it is meant to be used as a weapon But if its life or death, there is always a bowie kept under a jacket I get what your saying and your intentions are noble. But ethically when I coach anyone in Kung Fu, Edged Weapons or Pistols you have to expain escalations and the risks of a situation. I hate violence and I think nobody wins you just survive. As a gun owner for 8 years I have only had to draw 3 times. In knife carry only 4. With the pistol all 3 times my attackers thought better of it and walked away. Knife wise there are a few men that have scars from knife wounds but are alive. Fist fights much more than that. But every time I treated the situation as one I would not walk away from if I underestimated the situation. A trained person might get away with going easier on an attacker and that's a big might because all training and weapons do is increase odds and probability. I would rather go through life not having to know all the things I know in terms of hurting people and teaching people how to hurt. But its not the world we live in. Sometimes people will make a move on you because they can. That is a sad fact that keeps me up sometimes. Hoping the people I teach stay in the 85% that get home safe and dont wind up among the 15% who don't. Yes our OP will have to put effort into it. But $35 for a folder and 20mins a day of practice is a small price to pay to build an auto pilot that could save his life one day. I would prefer students I teach did an hour a day with knives and bludgeons fists ex. But most people just dont want to spend the time. But they can justify 20mins maybe 30. Just like some home workout video. đ Hey Richard, what do you think of pulling and brandishing (when you realize you have to, of course) a good lightweight slashing knife (fully serrated Endura 4) at your attacker(s) then running off, with the idea of slashing at any hand/wrist that comes near you when running away? The idea is to effectively slash, as humans are scared of being cut/disfigured even more than death, and people (particularly young punks) really don't think about actually dying. I understand having to go into stabbing/grappling mode if your cornered and they persist in actually running you down. However, why would a ruffian want to run after someone they KNEW had a knife, as one would assume they would be after "easier pickings"?
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Post by Ifrit on Sept 13, 2018 6:55:39 GMT
Trynna cut a guy while running away would be a good way to trip, I would think. A regular dude who just wanted your wallet would probably run. A guy wanting to kill you would be angered if cut. I dealt with both sorts of people. My opinion is it depends on the guy I suppose.
Not that you asked. Just my two cents that no one asked for.
I don't think I will be agreed with on this one, but I'm only going by what I've actually experienced, as I do with most of my knowledge
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Post by Richard Arias on Sept 13, 2018 7:39:18 GMT
   I get what your saying and your intentions are noble. But ethically when I coach anyone in Kung Fu, Edged Weapons or Pistols you have to expain escalations and the risks of a situation. I hate violence and I think nobody wins you just survive. As a gun owner for 8 years I have only had to draw 3 times. In knife carry only 4. With the pistol all 3 times my attackers thought better of it and walked away. Knife wise there are a few men that have scars from knife wounds but are alive. Fist fights much more than that. But every time I treated the situation as one I would not walk away from if I underestimated the situation. A trained person might get away with going easier on an attacker and that's a big might because all training and weapons do is increase odds and probability.    I would rather go through life not having to know all the things I know in terms of hurting people and teaching people how to hurt. But its not the world we live in. Sometimes people will make a move on you because they can. That is a sad fact that keeps me up sometimes. Hoping the people I teach stay in the 85% that get home safe and dont wind up among the 15% who don't.     Yes our OP will have to put effort into it. But $35 for a folder and 20mins a day of practice is a small price to pay to build an auto pilot that could save his life one day. I would prefer students I teach did an hour a day with knives and bludgeons fists ex. But most people just dont want to spend the time. But they can justify 20mins maybe 30. Just like some home workout video. đ     Hey Richard, what do you think of pulling and brandishing (when you realize you have to, of course) a good lightweight slashing knife (fully serrated Endura 4) at your attacker(s) then running off, with the idea of slashing at any hand/wrist that comes near you when running away? The idea is to effectively slash, as humans are scared of being cut/disfigured even more than death, and people (particularly young punks) really don't think about actually dying. I understand having to go into stabbing/grappling mode if your cornered and they persist in actually running you down. However, why would a ruffian want to run after someone they KNEW had a knife, as one would assume they would be after "easier pickings"? Your escalating the situation to life or death and you would be aiming for small easy to miss areas. Center mass is bigger and harder to move back. But people are good at pulling hands away quick. Maybe legs to. But in my experience in fencing 40% of all matches ended with leg cuts or stabs. avoid trying to scare people. It won't go your way most likely.
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Post by howler on Sept 13, 2018 7:47:29 GMT
Trynna cut a guy while running away would be a good way to trip, I would think. A regular dude who just wanted your wallet would probably run. A guy wanting to kill you would be angered if cut. I dealt with both sorts of people. My opinion is it depends on the guy I suppose. Not that you asked. Just my two cents that no one asked for. I don't think I will be agreed with on this one, but I'm only going by what I've actually experienced, as I do with most of my knowledge Yeah, running and trying to cut while looking behind would be potentially disastrous, as I'd probably fall on my own knife. Maybe an initial run if distance is large enough then stop if you hear anyone getting closer.
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Post by howler on Sept 13, 2018 8:00:51 GMT
Hey Richard, what do you think of pulling and brandishing (when you realize you have to, of course) a good lightweight slashing knife (fully serrated Endura 4) at your attacker(s) then running off, with the idea of slashing at any hand/wrist that comes near you when running away? The idea is to effectively slash, as humans are scared of being cut/disfigured even more than death, and people (particularly young punks) really don't think about actually dying. I understand having to go into stabbing/grappling mode if your cornered and they persist in actually running you down. However, why would a ruffian want to run after someone they KNEW had a knife, as one would assume they would be after "easier pickings"? Your escalating the situation to life or death and you would be aiming for small easy to miss areas. Center mass is bigger and harder to move back. But people are good at pulling hands away quick. Maybe legs to. But in my experience in fencing 40% of all matches ended with leg cuts or stabs. avoid trying to scare people. It won't go your way most likely. Thanks for the advice, and it sounds logical. Hard to imagine a criminal not caring about getting cut, but you can't assume what an irrational, drug addled mind might be thinking. So maybe forget the intimidation effect through brandishing of knife but run if you think you can get distance. The question then would be what to do if you hear him/them nearing you and after you stopped to face them. Face & neck, particularly if there is heavier clothing. You can commit if there is one, but I think you would have to do quick jabs and slashes to keep multiples at bay, but then, if you take out one, will the others rabbit off after. Man, you don't want to get in a knife fight, because it's a hospital if your lucky (assuming they have blades and will use them). Fortunately, I don't really see myself in such a scenario walking around the block and minding my business.
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Post by bluetrain on Sept 13, 2018 9:23:37 GMT
I also don't think much about getting in trouble anymore because I don't go into the city so much. At the moment, I'm more worried about falling down. Nevertheless, one does read in the paper of just as many "stabbing" as shootings where I live, just outside Washington, D.C., about 20 miles from the back door of the White House. The bad guys are just as likely to have a knife as a gun. You don't want to get in a knife fight any more than you do a gun fight.
What you want, however, is not to win a knife fight but to survive or escape an attack without harm. An attack is also likely to be initiated as a con job (Hey, mister, can you...) rather than an assault from ten feet away. Or as an assault from behind. The bad guys (it's always a guy) aren't dumb.
Lots of different knives are available from lots of different sources. Think about how you might carry a knife and how you would get to it. Anyone here carry a knife up your sleeve? You would probably want to do a lot of experimenting before deciding what works best for you, although there are lots of people who are absolutely certain that the way they do it is the only way, just as there are people who say that such and such a knife is the only one to get and everything else is junk. I think that the way you might decide to carry it will help decide what kind of knife to get.
Remember also that it will be considered a concealed weapon.
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