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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 17:40:20 GMT
Has anyone ever disassembled these swords? Just wondering if you could mount the Marto Caesar furniture on a Windlass blade,, with perhaps a little dremel tool work and some plastic steel? Just a wild thought.
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Post by LastTemplar on Aug 31, 2018 10:53:03 GMT
can't say anything to that, but I can't think why not, unless the tang is either too long/wide or too short/narrow. I'm considering a windlass gladius and wondering if it's worth getting. I understand it's not had forged, but rather ground out of a slo blank, and thus not having any character
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Post by Jordan Williams on Sept 28, 2018 1:28:15 GMT
can't say anything to that, but I can't think why not, unless the tang is either too long/wide or too short/narrow. I'm considering a windlass gladius and wondering if it's worth getting. I understand it's not had forged, but rather ground out of a slo blank, and thus not having any character As I know it, they're forged into shape and then finished on the grinder. So probably much in the same way your DSA swords are. Doesn't make any difference at all if it's completely forged or hand ground. Plenty of swords historically were made the same way, ground from a billet. What matters is steel type, heat treat, edge geometry and blade dynamics. That's what gives a blade character, not whether it was hand forged or hand ground. Both is a maker putting their skill and expertise, as well as time and money into making a piece. |
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Post by tonystark on Sept 28, 2018 2:11:38 GMT
What Jordan said 😁
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Post by LastTemplar on Sept 28, 2018 9:45:39 GMT
can't say anything to that, but I can't think why not, unless the tang is either too long/wide or too short/narrow. I'm considering a windlass gladius and wondering if it's worth getting. I understand it's not had forged, but rather ground out of a slo blank, and thus not having any character As I know it, they're forged into shape and then finished on the grinder. So probably much in the same way your DSA swords are. Doesn't make any difference at all if it's completely forged or hand ground. Plenty of swords historically were made the same way, ground from a billet. What matters is steel type, heat treat, edge geometry and blade dynamics. That's what gives a blade character, not whether it was hand forged or hand ground. Both is a maker putting their skill and expertise, as well as time and money into making a piece. does not a swords character come from the smith who forged or ground from said billet taking everything into account, not from a cnc blank?
btw, it's the windlass I have, and a nice gladius it is
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Post by Jordan Williams on Sept 28, 2018 15:05:42 GMT
As I know it, they're forged into shape and then finished on the grinder. So probably much in the same way your DSA swords are. Doesn't make any difference at all if it's completely forged or hand ground. Plenty of swords historically were made the same way, ground from a billet. What matters is steel type, heat treat, edge geometry and blade dynamics. That's what gives a blade character, not whether it was hand forged or hand ground. Both is a maker putting their skill and expertise, as well as time and money into making a piece. does not a swords character come from the smith who forged or ground from said billet taking everything into account, not from a cnc blank?
btw, it's the windlass I have, and a nice gladius it is
I don't think Windlass uses CNC machines. They forge out the blanks and them grind them. Albion uses a CNC to mill blanks out, and then hand grind and finish them (which by the way is way more work than it seems, my own experience in stock removal was long and tedious). And no, that's not where the character of a sword comes from. I could put two well finished swords in your hands, one forged and one from a CNC and you wouldn't be able to tell which is which because it doesn't have any effect on the end result of a sword. A swords character comes from what it is made into and out of, not how it gets there. For instance, I'm receiving a custom sword soon. Made from stock removal, with antique fittings. Of course the grip is made by the maker himself as well. So would it not have character by virtue that it wasn't hand forged, even though it uses furniture used in a war and the grip is hand made? Perhaps you feel the windlass doesn't have character because it's a massed produced item made for profit and not a single made item made for profit. Let me reiterate that a lot of swords in history were made by grinding from a shape. You can prefer forging over grinding, but letting it affect your purchase choice is a little silly in my opinion. Both involve lots of work and knowledge to do. Glad to hear you like the Windlass. |
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Post by LastTemplar on Sept 28, 2018 15:36:09 GMT
never said windlass is cnc'd. got 2 of their swords, one with slightly noticeable hammer marks on the Accolade which I like. not gonna agree on character. did daVinci's paintings' character come from the artist, or materials used? I see sword making in a similar light. grinding out a sword from a cnc'd blank is akin to daVinci doing paint by numbers, instead of hammering out a billet. anyway, that's just me. seems I know nothing about swords
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Post by Jordan Williams on Sept 28, 2018 16:00:14 GMT
never said windlass is cnc'd. got 2 of their swords, one with slightly noticeable hammer marks on the Accolade which I like. not gonna agree on character. did daVinci's paintings' character come from the artist, or materials used? I see sword making in a similar light. grinding out a sword from a cnc'd blank is akin to daVinci doing paint by numbers, instead of hammering out a billet. anyway, that's just me. seems I know nothing about swords Pretty insulting to say that someone using stock removal to make a sword is the same as a paint by numbers. It's still the maker using their time and skill at making and engineering a sword, there's not a little "sword making kit" that says grind here, grind there, cut here, cut there. That all comes from the individual makers knowledge and know how. The convo started on Windlass so I assumed that was the maker of the subject. The DaVinci equivalency you try to make doesn't work because there is no alternative like it in sword making or vice versa. "Grinding out a sword from a CNC blank is like a painting by the numbers" Or it's like getting as close to historical specs as possible while reducing time spent to deliver a consistent result? There's still a ton of hand work to be done there. I've ground out my own stock removal blades and it takes a ton of work and time even after the blank is cut. Sure You can not agree on character, I don't think either of us will agree on eithers perspective. But that shouldn't stop a conversation. Have you ever ground out a sword? I had a similar perspective until I made my own by stock removal. |
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Post by LastTemplar on Sept 28, 2018 20:02:00 GMT
well, as I said, seeing as I know nothing of swords, I'll just leave it there
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Post by Jordan Williams on Sept 28, 2018 20:56:54 GMT
well, as I said, seeing as I know nothing of swords, I'll just leave it there Poor way to leave a discussion, but sure. |
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Post by theophilus736 on Oct 1, 2018 12:42:37 GMT
well, as I said, seeing as I know nothing of swords, I'll just leave it there Just as a small addition here, historically it wouldn't have usually even been the same guy at each stage of a swords production. One would have pounded it out, but then another guy ground it to further refine its shape. So for all intents and purposes, once it is the grinders turn, it may as well have been a cnc blank. The guy who got it usually got it after a team effort, not unlike the production swords like Albion. The single smith doing all the work for hundreds of hours and selling for thousands of dollars is romantic today, and yes, babely Orlando Bloom at the forge in Kingdom of Heaven might be romantic for some too, but historically it didn't generally happen like that. Edit: I realize know you weren't stating that a single smith was what gave it character, but rather hand forging as some producers do. The process is basically the same, it's just the forging process is taken out. The design, balance, shaping, aesthetics, those are all after the blank is made, so I'm not sure how much of a swords character actually comes from the forging of the blade blank. Even two Albions of the same model will have slightly different stats, and that seems to be the same type of character you're alluding to, as the design aesthetics and what not are all after the blank is established. Did you receive your DSA yet? Looking forward to a review, even though those dips put it on sale right after you bought it -_- |
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Post by MOK on Oct 1, 2018 14:45:46 GMT
Defining what you mean by "character" might help.
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Oct 1, 2018 18:03:26 GMT
[/quote] does not a swords character come from the smith who forged or ground from said billet taking everything into account, not from a cnc blank?
btw, it's the windlass I have, and a nice gladius it is
[/quote] Nay, but from its feel in your hand, its catching of the light, its song through the air, and the cut it doth cleave. This is the soul of a sword. |
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Post by LastTemplar on Oct 1, 2018 19:22:56 GMT
allegedly, I'll have it wed courtesy of fedex. WAS supposed to be tomorrow, according to tracking this morning
can't really define "character". it's all of what you see when looking at/wielding a sword, what it says to you
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