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Post by Ifrit on Jun 15, 2018 10:16:24 GMT
I am quite happy with what I have made when it comes to my lamellar armour. However, I do find that the exposed paracords are a bit of a weakness to it. I have been brain storming many ideas of what I can do to cover these exposed bits of cord in order to protect them from a swords blade.
From attempting a steel wire arm band, cut and sewn on, riveting a piece of leather on each side, to even spraying it with that plastic stuff people spray on the inside of a truck box. Leather would likely be the most costly, but it might also look the best.
Don't suppose you chaps have a better idea than these, eh?
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Post by pgandy on Jun 15, 2018 13:11:46 GMT
Sorry no ideas here, but that paracord raised a question with me causing my earlier inquiry to it. Thinking on it, is it possible to redesign it so that the cord holding a plate is protected by an overlapping plate above it? Possibly abandoning the concept of lamellar in favour of scale?
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Post by mrbadexample on Jun 15, 2018 16:59:15 GMT
Couple of questions. Did you use full paracord or did you pull out the core? Also, did you tie off anywhere other than the start and end point?
In my experience (all SCA heavy list so no sharp edges other than the lames themselves), the flat shape from removing the core was more cut resistant. I've also read that some lamellar was constructed by tieing off the lacing frequently. That way only so many parts can come loose instead of a total unraveling.
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Post by Ifrit on Jun 15, 2018 18:58:55 GMT
PGandy: It would hold, but it would eventually break if hit way too many times. Which isn't too bad for one battle, but for a war, I am not sure if lamellar would be my first choice. Excellent suggestion though. A scale covering would definitely add strength
Mrbadexample: I used full cord. I am considering redoing it with more tie offs and the core removed
Another thing I considered is layering cloth soaked in resin on it, while its on a mold
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Post by ember on Jun 15, 2018 19:26:10 GMT
What about lacing it with kevlar from chainsaw pants? That's quite cut proof, you could tie it off multiple times for good measure
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Post by Ifrit on Jun 15, 2018 20:09:20 GMT
Depends on how much that costs. Sounds like it would be pricey
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Post by pgandy on Jun 15, 2018 20:33:52 GMT
What about lacing it with kevlar from chainsaw pants? That's quite cut proof, you could tie it off multiple times for good measure I read this and then chowed down with my noon meal. During that time a question came to mind that has been growing and eating away since. There is probably a simple answer. How does one work with cut proof material? |
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Post by Ifrit on Jun 15, 2018 21:39:42 GMT
I'm guessing a good scissors would do the job. I have cut resistant sleeves made with cloth and wire mesh. They resist cuts from knives really well but a scissors makes quick work of them. Probably due to the fact that scissors cut in a very different way
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jun 15, 2018 21:46:06 GMT
I thought of a cut proof glove/sleeve over your armor.
With lash so that the blade can slip over the paracord.
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Post by Ifrit on Jun 15, 2018 22:29:23 GMT
I thought of a cut proof glove/sleeve over your armor. With lash so that the blade can slip over the paracord. I am considering that. Maybe some resin or glue to bind it to the metal, along with some lashings on the outer edge. Maybe some leather under the steel as well... Might make for a pretty solid piece of armour |
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jun 15, 2018 22:38:09 GMT
I thought more of lash, play, don't know the right term, so not glued to the metal.
The blade edge should be caught in the cover and slip over the paracord instead of cutting through.
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Post by Ifrit on Jun 15, 2018 23:04:22 GMT
I could probably lash it. It is hard to secure anything to the middle part of the pauldron though, as all the holes are filled...
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But having it glued on with resin might give the pauldron a more solid construction. But it would make any further customization complicated, so not sure if I wanna do that. Ill experiment with the material and see what I can learn about it
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Post by mrbadexample on Jun 16, 2018 1:21:04 GMT
Having a bit of give will allow the cloth cover to bunch up. That is a good thing for fouling cuts. If you firmly adhere the cut-proof cloth, it will effectively be stretched tight to cut more easily.
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Post by christain on Jun 16, 2018 1:35:02 GMT
Djinn...A little secret I'll let you in on...On tanned leather, like moccasins are made of....a liberal coating of Super-Glue(or most anything similar) turns the leather hard as iron. There is a chemical process that goes on here, involving HEAT, SMOKING, and FUMES...so do it OUTSIDE with the wind blowing AWAY from YOU. This might be something you would want to play around with.  I've wrapped leather lacing from the crafts dept. at Walmart around a soft-wood handle(pine, cedar, spruce) and slathered it down with Super-Glue (then run like hell), and 45 minutes to an hour, you can SAND IT---to a fine finish, I might add. Get a roll of leather lace and a few multi-packs of S-G, and just play around. You'll be surprised....just DO IT OUTDOORS! The fumes are a b*tch.  |
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Post by Ifrit on Jun 16, 2018 3:02:25 GMT
Thanks for the tip Chris. Do the fumes happen from the contact with the leather?
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Post by ember on Jun 16, 2018 7:05:45 GMT
Thanks for the tip Chris. Do the fumes happen from the contact with the leather? Yep, that would be right. Super glue reacts with the chemicals used in the tanning methods, it depends on how the leather is tanned so it won't happen with every leather. Christian couldn't be more right, the fumes are dangerous and even if it doesn't smoke, the vapour from that much super glue is almost as bad. |
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Post by phil0352 on Feb 2, 2022 11:01:45 GMT
Here's a thought you could use scale armor with rings mail to cover the paracord lacing. It will add some weight, but should protect the lacings. Just a thought.
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Feb 2, 2022 14:18:35 GMT
I have some questions...
What type of lamellar?
From which culture?
I wore a 'Caftan' over mine, and it definitely reduced cord damage.
Tying off the cord every few plates will reduce problemns too.
And...I know sopme guys who laced theirs with wire....
Lota of options.
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I've wrapped leather lacing from the crafts dept. at Walmart around a soft-wood handle(pine, cedar, spruce) and slathered it down with Super-Glue (then run like hell), and 45 minutes to an hour, you can SAND IT---to a fine finish, I might add. Get a roll of leather lace and a few multi-packs of S-G, and just play around. You'll be surprised....just DO IT OUTDOORS! The fumes are a b*tch. 
Things have changed!