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Post by Jordan Williams on Jul 18, 2019 4:54:18 GMT
So if I have it right - the finger loop is on earlier models, ala the Model 1854, and one without is the later model, from the storybook kings reign? I can't find a model year name for it. This is what I have gathered to be the later model, if I am right? imgur.com/a/cVRhdLc
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Post by Uhlan on Jul 18, 2019 7:36:26 GMT
No, the Imgur sabre is the same as the first one, with the blue background, on the previous page. It has the horn grip, no finger loop and the scabbard seems to be assembled out of three separate pieces. That would place the model, according to picture from Oldswords that is, firmly in the Maximillian IV Joseph Elector period (1799-1806), but as Maximillian IV Elector became the King of Bavaria, now named Maximillian I (1806-1825) I think the Imgur sabre should be placed in the 1806-1825 period. That would make it an early example of this model. The problem here is that we cannot see the crest or whether there is one at all. The blade may have been swapped. These were screw-on blades. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rulers_of_Bavaria
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jul 19, 2019 6:37:29 GMT
No, the Imgur sabre is the same as the first one, with the blue background, on the previous page. It has the horn grip, no finger loop and the scabbard seems to be assembled out of three separate pieces. That would place the model, according to picture from Oldswords that is, firmly in the Maximillian IV Joseph Elector period (1799-1806), but as Maximillian IV Elector became the King of Bavaria, now named Maximillian I (1806-1825) I think the Imgur sabre should be placed in the 1806-1825 period. That would make it an early example of this model. The problem here is that we cannot see the crest or whether there is one at all. The blade may have been swapped. These were screw-on blades. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rulers_of_BavariaThat is interesting, when it arrives to me I will update you on the crest. I would have (wrongly now) assumed that the more intricate version, the finger loop model to be earlier. It is an exciting thought that the Bavarian Landwher sabre I may be taking commission of soon could be from the Napoleonic era. I'm assuming that aside from makers marks or similar hallmarks there will be little in the way of telling it's date?
Of course if it is not it will resume it's original retail destiny after being fondled.
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Post by Uhlan on Jul 19, 2019 9:27:59 GMT
As these sabres aren't regular army I don't think there will be a date stamp. Mine, the 1854 there abouts model, didn't have any. The scabbard on your sabre seems to steer us in the direction of the early model, but the crest should tell us more. That is if the blades weren't swapped. Anyway, crest or not, these sabres are really very nice all over, handling included. They were for (mounted) Officers of the Infantry, so though they don't have the width and gird of a regulation Cavalry sabre, they still have much of the length. If you look at the pictures on page 1 with the blue uniform, you will see what I mean. These are not Dinkey Toys. The Landwehr history tells us also that, at least in the beginning, they bested the Bavarian army. It was the Landwehr that drove the battle hardened French troops from Bavarian territory, while the regular army was a shambles. Cannot do that with iffy little hat pins now can you?
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jul 22, 2019 19:54:48 GMT
As these sabres aren't regular army I don't think there will be a date stamp. Mine, the 1854 there abouts model, didn't have any. The scabbard on your sabre seems to steer us in the direction of the early model, but the crest should tell us more. That is if the blades weren't swapped. Anyway, crest or not, these sabres are really very nice all over, handling included. They were for (mounted) Officers of the Infantry, so though they don't have the width and gird of a regulation Cavalry sabre, they still have much of the length. If you look at the pictures on page 1 with the blue uniform, you will see what I mean. These are not Dinkey Toys. The Landwehr history tells us also that, at least in the beginning, they bested the Bavarian army. It was the Landwehr that drove the battle hardened French troops from Bavarian territory, while the regular army was a shambles. Cannot do that with iffy little hat pins now can you? And here it is, very nice sabre. Seems to have been sharpened at some point in its past, very well kept and clean. Not so long as the ones you have posted in your OP though, I didn't have time to measure it but it seemed around 32 or so inches in glad length. imgur.com/a/a3msvjeAlso, I took a minute and joined all the crests in the thread together including mine. I'll post it up in a second.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2019 20:29:08 GMT
Max II 1850s
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jul 22, 2019 22:52:30 GMT
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jul 22, 2019 22:54:31 GMT
Thanks for the crest ID. I was having some trouble discerning which was which.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jul 22, 2019 22:54:52 GMT
Also, probably worth noting that my sabre is peened.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2019 23:10:42 GMT
Ludwig then Maximilian II then Ludwig II (Neuschwanstein/Mad)
Pino had one of these and we got to discussing Bavaria and sunflowers.
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Post by Uhlan on Jul 23, 2019 5:19:01 GMT
Looks like it has a more Degen style blade and a first generation style scabbard. Odd combination. I wonder whether the blade was changed at some time and the old scabbard retained? How does the peen look? Very nice and clean sabre by the way.
Edit: And thanks for stitching the crests together.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jul 23, 2019 6:21:44 GMT
Looks like it has a more Degen style blade and a first generation style scabbard. Odd combination. I wonder whether the blade was changed at some time and the old scabbard retained? How does the peen look? Very nice and clean sabre by the way. Edit: And thanks for stitching the crests together. The Scabbard throat actually comes totally off and has corrosion indicating it was fixed on backwards at some point years ago. Quite odd to me. Here's the peen. It looks... odd. Almost like someone plated the blade and hilt and had to repiece the hilt, and then repeened it, and maybe tried to antique the peen. I mean, the rest of the sword and scabbard is basically flawless. Like a Windlass with bad QC. Just a little speckling, but the peen is worse than any other sword I've had this clean.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jul 23, 2019 6:27:09 GMT
Ludwig then Maximilian II then Ludwig II (Neuschwanstein/Mad) Pino had one of these and we got to discussing Bavaria and sunflowers. The sunflowers are a cool decor on the sword,but mine seems not to have them. It has the more shell looking devices, repeated on the base of blade. Unless I am seeing the clamshell shape where there is half sunflowers. I am really admiring the workmanship of this sword. All the etching is so detailed, little lines and shadowing in the etching, fish scale on the shield, even looks like it has different levels.
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Post by Uhlan on Jul 23, 2019 10:57:12 GMT
That is not a professional peen. Someone has been tinkering with this sabre. Looks like this is not the original blade the first generation scabbard was made for.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jul 23, 2019 17:13:24 GMT
Well shoot. Thanks for the info though Uhlan. I was wondering about the peen being as such.
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