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Post by bluetrain on Jun 19, 2018 10:08:11 GMT
Star made some models in 9mm that were smaller and lighter than a Glock, although they did not have the same capacity, if that is important. But none have been manufactured for decades. Their best variation was the BKM, in my opinion. I always wished that Colt had made that particular gun (for quality reasons). Star did made one model, I think, sold as a Colt, a .380.
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Post by tonystark on Jun 19, 2018 17:07:07 GMT
I’ve heard some nasty stuff about the Wilson Combat 9mm 1911’s. Check out the Honest Outlaw’s review (YouTube) on his Wilson Combat. Have you seen the Springfield 911 yet by the way?
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Post by Croccifixio on Jun 20, 2018 0:09:24 GMT
I’ve heard some nasty stuff about the Wilson Combat 9mm 1911’s. Check out the Honest Outlaw’s review (YouTube) on his Wilson Combat. Have you seen the Springfield 911 yet by the way? Seen that, but it wasn’t the x9 and he still wants to try the x9. Most other reviews basically say it’s the best pistol ever were it not for the price. Honestly though, if I lived in the US I would save up for it. We can buy $2000 worth of swords but not a gun that’s basically the modern 1911 with all the pluses and few, if any, minuses? But that’s just me. There are no Wilsons here, sadly (only seen Les Baer, Ed Brown, and Nighthawks and they are insanely priced - like $6000).
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Post by tonystark on Jun 20, 2018 2:29:08 GMT
I’ve heard some nasty stuff about the Wilson Combat 9mm 1911’s. Check out the Honest Outlaw’s review (YouTube) on his Wilson Combat. Have you seen the Springfield 911 yet by the way? Seen that, but it wasn’t the x9 and he still wants to try the x9. Most other reviews basically say it’s the best pistol ever were it not for the price. Honestly though, if I lived in the US I would save up for it. We can buy $2000 worth of swords but not a gun that’s basically the modern 1911 with all the pluses and few, if any, minuses? But that’s just me. There are no Wilsons here, sadly (only seen Les Baer, Ed Brown, and Nighthawks and they are insanely priced - like $6000). That sucks the prices are so sky high!! Yeah my bad, I thought the model 1911 he reviewed was the X9, but I was way off 😅 The Dan Wesson’s are super nice 1911’s, but again I’m sure the price isn’t any more reasonable than the other brands. STI makes some incredible 1911’s as well, but I’m sure you’ve already seen them! stiguns.com/the-sti-1911/
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Post by Croccifixio on Jun 20, 2018 7:18:46 GMT
Yep. STIs are popular here, especially the ones for competition. After all, a lot of STIs were made here. They’re still pretty expensive. Cheapest I’ve seen is around $1900 for an STI Lawman. Most of them go for $2200 at discounted gunshow prices.
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Post by tonystark on Jun 20, 2018 17:11:13 GMT
Jeez so other than Rock Island, is there a brand of firearm that DOESN’T cost $1,000+?? So are you settling on a S&W Shield (.45)?
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Post by Croccifixio on Jun 20, 2018 23:49:04 GMT
Jeez so other than Rock Island, is there a brand of firearm that DOESN’T cost $1,000+?? So are you settling on a S&W Shield (.45)? MetroArms and ATI hahaha. Funnily enough Glocks are “reasonable” here. A Glock 19 Gen 4 bought during the gun show period is “only” $800. This is one reason why Taurus, Norinco, Bersa, Kel-Tec, and Kahr have a following because despite their prices being double that of US prices, they’re still relatively affordable. My PT111 G2 for instance cost me $400. Norinco’s a really good deal too - their 1911 clone is only $240 for instance, but I don’t trust their other guns and would prefer non-Chinese products, given the current state of affairs between my country and China in the West Philippine Sea.
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Post by tonystark on Jun 21, 2018 2:12:12 GMT
If only Glock made something other than their “same old” Gen 1-5 models......a 1911, a shotgun, a single/double action.....something, anything!! LOL It’s not that Glock doesn’t make dependable handguns, but mix it up a little 😁 How about Colt and Iver Johnson 1911’s? Okay those are the last two 1911 companies I’ll ask about, considering you pretty much just answered that in your last post! Yeah I THINK the US is having issues with China too, but I’m not quite sure........😉
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Post by Croccifixio on Jun 21, 2018 2:34:41 GMT
If only Glock made something other than their “same old” Gen 1-5 models......a 1911, a shotgun, a single/double action.....something, anything!! LOL It’s not that Glock doesn’t make dependable handguns, but mix it up a little 😁 How about Colt and Iver Johnson 1911’s? Okay those are the last two 1911 companies I’ll ask about, considering you pretty much just answered that in your last post! Yeah I THINK the US is having issues with China too, but I’m not quite sure........😉 Colt is expensive. I just inquired about a lightweight commander and the quote was $2150. A Gold Cup Trophy is right around $3500. As for Iver Johnson, I’ve never really looked. Thankfully my father in law has a Colt 1911 (80s series) that I’ll be inheriting once we fix the paperwork. His license has long expired over it, so we’re waiting for a gun amnesty (which happens every few years, wherein firearms with expired licenses can be registered) to transfer the gun to me. Yeah I wish Glock would do something different. It’s one thing to have cross caliber weapon familiarity, and another to simply rest on your laurels. Methinks they’d break the gun world if they released a reliable polymer 1911 clone (and aptly call it the Glock 1911) that could take Glock 36 mags.
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Post by tonystark on Jun 21, 2018 4:00:45 GMT
I kinda figured Colt would be up there. Not as bad as Dan Wesson’s, Nighthawks, and STI’s, but still! If you get a chance, look at the Iver Johnson’s. They aren’t as expensive or popular, but I know several older friends who are Vets and they swear by their Iver’s. Might be worth looking at. You just writing that about a polymer 1911 caused ripples throughout the fabric of time & space....... Hey, you could carry them Glocked and Locked!!! 🤣
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Post by harrybeck on Jun 21, 2018 5:25:16 GMT
I have a Dan Wesson Cbob and it's great. I really like commander sized pistols, ever since my first colt combat commander that I still have.
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Post by Croccifixio on Jun 21, 2018 12:40:41 GMT
I have a Dan Wesson Cbob and it's great. I really like commander sized pistols, ever since my first colt combat commander that I still have. I’m considering a Metroarms Bobcat (that’s bobcut) in 45 to replace my current Rock Island Rock Standard Compact. But that would come after what will most likely be a Shield in 45.
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Post by harrybeck on Jun 21, 2018 13:16:58 GMT
I have a shield in 40, I was looking for one in 9mm, but got offered a good deal and had to take it.
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Post by tonystark on Jun 21, 2018 15:23:50 GMT
I have a Dan Wesson Cbob and it's great. I really like commander sized pistols, ever since my first colt combat commander that I still have. Dan Wesson’s are incredible, you must love it! Even though both of my 1911’s are Government models, I would definitely get a Commander sized 1911 next time. Colt makes some pretty awesome 1911’s, and I think my next one will be Commander in .38 Super.
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Post by harrybeck on Jun 21, 2018 16:41:55 GMT
I always wanted a 38 super.
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Post by tonystark on Jun 21, 2018 20:24:43 GMT
They’re on par with, and some people think they’re superior to, 9mm. Very little recoil out of a 1911, and higher capacity than a .45. If you ever get the chance to shoot one grab it, they’re a lot of fun at the range!
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Post by Croccifixio on Jun 22, 2018 15:44:11 GMT
I thought 38 Super was definitely the ballisticslly-superior round? It’s the in-between of 9mm and 357 SIG for autos. I had one before (nickel plated 1911) but traded that for something else. Way too hard to find 38 Super hollowpoints here, they’re mostly for tournament/competition shooters.
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Post by tonystark on Jun 22, 2018 18:46:28 GMT
According to quite a few knowledgeable people it is (Paul Harrell included) superior, but you know there’ll be some rabid 9mm fanatic who swears that 9mm is better than every other caliber ever created 😏 I watched an interesting video that chronographed .38 Super and .38 Super +P, only to find that all .38 Super is considered +P, even if packaged as “non +P.” So yeah, If say it’s superior to 9mm as well!
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Post by bluetrain on Jun 22, 2018 19:15:43 GMT
I like .38 Super a little better than .45, though I have both--plus a 9mm. In addition to .380 and 9mm Makarov, I've also owned a 7.63 Mauser, also referred to as .30 Mauser. But I don't think there's a significant difference in utility between them for most purposes, but given that they are chambered in different pistols, usually of different sizes, then the differences become more important. I don't think availability of ammunition is an issue for any of them. I haven't owned any of the new cartridges but as an outdoorsman's pistol, the 10mm seems like a good choice, chambered in a Colt, of course. S&W chambered some revolvers for that cartridge, too. But for a revolver, I'd probably pick a .357. Again, that is, since I've owned several.
Colt has their diehard customers and I suspect there would be resistance to anything really innovative from them. The Anaconda was introduced but apparently did not sell well enough. Likewise, Glock probably wouldn't get away with producing something that imitates a Colt .45 automatic but I think someone already made one with a polymer frame. Only Ruger seems willing to make anything they can think of but unfortunately, their 7.62 semiautomatic rifle didn't make it to market. They have a way of introducing something with short runs. Want a Ruger No. 1 in .303 British? Probably most were sold in Canada. For all I know, they may have even turned out some in .303 Savage.
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Post by Croccifixio on Jul 6, 2018 1:08:38 GMT
Looks like my next firearm will be the Shield in 45. Contacted one of my favorite gun stores and inquired about the prices of the following guns I was interested in for the upcoming gun show:
1. Mossberg 590a1 tactical 2. SIG p365 3. CZ P10c 4. Ruger LCR (in 38special) 5. Shield 45
and they promptly responded with these prices:
1. 74,000 ($1423) 2. 72,000 ($1385) 3. 71,000 ($1365) 4. 57,000 ($1096) 5. 52,000 ($1000)
Those prices are just the base unit price (that includes the gun show discount for this July 12-16), so I'd have to add $100 for firearms registration.
Man, you guys are lucky. We pay 200% more on these!
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