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Post by Croccifixio on May 17, 2018 1:15:46 GMT
So I was just given my separation pay (actually just my vacation leave credits in monetary form), and suddenly have the budget for one or even two guns. Interested in your thoughts on this specific question. I wanted to use the money for a P10C or P365 but they still aren't available, but I inquired and there are a few guns I want that are currently on the market (with the corresponding price)
45 ACP:
M&P Shield 45 ACP 2.0 (around $1000)
Colt Lightweight Commander 1911 (around $2000)
Kimber Ultra Carry II (around $1500)
Kimber Custom Crimson Carry II (around $2000)
9mm DA/SA:
PX4 Subcompact (around $1000)
CZ 75 BD (around $1000)
So which one do you think is the smartest choice here? For carry, I already rotate between a Glock 19, PT111 g2, and Baby Rock 380. Just looking for the time I want to go for 45 ACP at the range with my friends. The DA/SA I'm looking more as the replacement for the Glock 19 in this rotation.
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Post by bluetrain on May 17, 2018 10:28:08 GMT
I had a Colt Lightweight Commander and liked it very much. Don't know why I don't have one now. But you should be able to find one at half that price, though it may take a lot of looking. I do have a .45 auto, though, a Walther. I also have a P99, which fills the 9mm slot. Of what you list, I like the Colt best but I don't know what the smartest choice is. My Walther PPQ .45 is relatively lightweight but on the large side.
The Colt Commander that I had was easy to shoot. I also had a Colt Lightweight Officer's ACP, which was a handful to shoot. Not painful, no excessive blast but you had to really hold on to it. Not exactly a range gun but really good for carry.
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Post by brotherbanzai on May 17, 2018 13:59:57 GMT
Man, prices are high were you live. For a .45 to take to the range, I always think a 1911 of one sort or another is the best choice; such a nice trigger and .45 and 1911 just go together. Kimber has gotten a lot of mixed reviews in recent years on their 1911s, so I personally probably wouldn't choose one of those, though their micro line gets great reviews (not really a 1911 design) and I personally do carry a micro 9 as my summer carry and love it. I have no experience with the current Colts. I have a Sig .45 1911 which I love and a Remington .45 1911 which was a bit disappointing. That's the extent of my 1911 experience. For the 9mm DA/SA, it seems like the PX4 is kind of bulky for a "subcompact", but I've never fired one so not much weight to my opinion of it. I carried a CZ 75D compact (PCR) for a bit and found it to be pretty comfortable to carry and fantastic to shoot. Great trigger and the grip angle and shape is perfect. Also really like the internal slide rails. The issue I had with it, the reason I don't carry it, is the hammer position. The decocked position used when carrying with a round in the chamber puts the hammer at more of a half-cocked position- see picture.  This makes the hammer protrude just enough that it always makes a visible bulge under my shirt unless I move the whole thing outside of my normal carry area. You can drop the hammer manually to the fully lowered position but I feel that's an unsafe practice to regularly do and then what's the pint of having the decocker. I assume the BD decocker does the same, but could be wrong. And of course, depending on how and where you carry, might not be any sort of issue for you anyway. |
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Post by Croccifixio on May 17, 2018 14:57:18 GMT
It gets crazier with Sig prices :p the most reasonable brands, apart from local ones, are Glock, Kimber, Norinco, Taurus, and maybe Beretta.
Hmm that hammer definitely looks like it’s gonna be an issue for me.
Maybe I shouldn’t sell my compact RIA then. It’s gone through 500 FMJ so far with no malfs or jams whatsoever. I just want a lighter one since I carry all my guns in sequence.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2018 15:09:55 GMT
Personally, I'd go with the M&P Shield in 45ACP with the single stack magazine. That would give you both a range gun and with its slim profile, could take a spot in your carry rotation. If you had funds left over, you could just bank them until the P10C or P365 comes available.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2018 16:19:37 GMT
I've sort of been eyeing the Ruger SR pistols, especially the Commander versions. They seem to have all the bells and whistles and price under a grand in the states.
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Post by brotherbanzai on May 19, 2018 13:40:20 GMT
I'm not generally a fan of Ruger other than their revolvers, but their SR1911 pistols do look interesting.
Croccifixio, how are Springfield's prices where you are? They have a number of .45 1911s that wouldn't mind having. For the DA/SA 9mm, how are H&K prices there? I have a P30 V3 which is my favorite 9mm to shoot. If I had to carry a "duty gun" for work or something, that one would be my first choice. The quality of construction is great, and ergonomics are fantastic, and the hammer goes all the way down when you decock it. They have a smaller p30sk v3 which might be better suited to conceal carry as well. I prefer a smaller firearm for carry but based on your list it's probably within your acceptable size range.
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Post by Croccifixio on May 19, 2018 13:58:31 GMT
I do want the p30 but it’s $2000. I’m only willing to spend that for a good 1911. Springfield 1911s are above that amount, sadly.
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Post by brotherbanzai on May 19, 2018 14:13:17 GMT
Wow, that's insane. I think I'd probably just set the funds aside and wait for what I really wanted to become available. The V2 p365 has been reportedly having issues with firing pin breakage now, so better to wait for that anyway. That one is high on my list but I'm going to wait until all the issues are sorted out. There's always the Beretta PT variants for a SA/DA. Kind of big and heavy for a modern carry gun but the Wilson Combat version is gorgeous. Also there's a kit available from Beretta (for I think like $75) which allows the safety on a regular PT to be changed over to a decocker.
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Post by tonystark on Jun 15, 2018 22:33:09 GMT
Another really awesome gun, my next in fact if I can’t get the CZ P01, is the Arex Rex Zero 1 compact. I don’t know what the prices in your neck of the woods would look like though. If .45 is your poison of choice, the Springfield XDE (in 9mm or .45) is pretty good for price and reliability! The PX4 and it’s compact version are very well spoken of. The rotating barrel is supposed to alleviate a lot of recoil. The CZ 75 compact and the P01 are also awesome choices! Decisions, decisions 😅
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Post by wlewisiii on Jun 16, 2018 19:46:49 GMT
Ruger? Oh, I should have never sold my P345. Exquisite shooter that was. It ate everything, no matter how hot or bullet shape. I'd love to find a nice used one or the P95 in 9mm  |
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Post by rjodorizzi on Jun 17, 2018 1:00:03 GMT
I love the 1911, it’s a bit big for carry but some folks do it. I’ve moved a lot of money back into swords, but I had an all stainless kimber commander that I liked A LOT. That was my go to for a log time. I prefer 45 to 9 but only because I find 9 boring to shoot!
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Post by Croccifixio on Jun 17, 2018 6:17:19 GMT
The consensus from most of the sources I have points to a PX4 Compact Carry. It makes me think though... what if I just get the full sized PX4 Storm in 45 ACP to get the best of both worlds? :D
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Post by bluetrain on Jun 17, 2018 10:08:55 GMT
I don't think a full-size .45 auto is too big for carry. My Walther PPQ .45 is larger. But an all-steel .45 (or same thing in any other caliber) is heavy, which is a slightly more significant issue. Personally, I think a Lightweight Colt Commander is ideal, yet I don't have one. My choice is a .38 Super anyway, but not for a Commander-size pistol. A .45 auto is a good all-round choice but you still need a .22 rimfire.
My criticisms of most currently popular production models are that they are too thick and have barrels that are too short, not that anyone ever asked me. Also, many Colt models and all the imitations have too many extras that increase cost and stick out more, like extended beavertail grip safety and, oh, those rails. How many here actually use the rail to attach an accessory?
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Post by tonystark on Jun 17, 2018 17:01:59 GMT
The consensus from most of the sources I have points to a PX4 Compact Carry. It makes me think though... what if I just get the full sized PX4 Storm in 45 ACP to get the best of both worlds? The full size PX4 has a 4” barrel, as does a Glock 19 and my new gem (CZ P10c), so if you can carry a Glock 19 then you should be able to carry a PX4 well enough! It’s kinda like that with the FNS full sized and the compact, and the S&W M&P 2.0. Best of both worlds indeed! |
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Post by Croccifixio on Jun 17, 2018 22:58:34 GMT
The consensus from most of the sources I have points to a PX4 Compact Carry. It makes me think though... what if I just get the full sized PX4 Storm in 45 ACP to get the best of both worlds? The full size PX4 has a 4” barrel, as does a Glock 19 and my new gem (CZ P10c), so if you can carry a Glock 19 then you should be able to carry a PX4 well enough! It’s kinda like that with the FNS full sized and the compact, and the S&W M&P 2.0. Best of both worlds indeed! Yeah. Since it’s been raining heavily every other day this past week, I’ve been carrying the Glock 19 in a Sidecar holster. It feels pretty good with a closed light jacket or suit on top. Makes me think if I can get away with the thicker PX4. I still prefer a pistol with more safety features. |
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Post by tonystark on Jun 18, 2018 6:33:41 GMT
The full size PX4 has a 4” barrel, as does a Glock 19 and my new gem (CZ P10c), so if you can carry a Glock 19 then you should be able to carry a PX4 well enough! It’s kinda like that with the FNS full sized and the compact, and the S&W M&P 2.0. Best of both worlds indeed! Yeah. Since it’s been raining heavily every other day this past week, I’ve been carrying the Glock 19 in a Sidecar holster. It feels pretty good with a closed light jacket or suit on top. Makes me think if I can get away with the thicker PX4. I still prefer a pistol with more safety features. Something else I just came across, similar in size to a Glock 19 but with 17rnd capacity, is the FN509. Mixed reviews on this, but the general consensus is that it is an awesome “fighting handgun.” If I’m not mistaken doesn’t the PX4 have s slide mounted safety like my Beretta 92A1? |
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Post by Croccifixio on Jun 18, 2018 7:27:16 GMT
Yes. I’m either going to convert it to decocker only or wait for the compact carry version. Just can’t get used to that since I mostly shoot 1911s.
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Post by tonystark on Jun 18, 2018 16:31:47 GMT
Oh believe me, I think the slide safety/decocker is the only thing keeping the Beretta M9 (92) from being one of the greatest combat handguns of all time. I think 1911’s already top that list!
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Post by Croccifixio on Jun 19, 2018 8:43:02 GMT
Oh believe me, I think the slide safety/decocker is the only thing keeping the Beretta M9 (92) from being one of the greatest combat handguns of all time. I think 1911’s already top that list! If the EDC X9 were cheaper it would probably be the greatest modern handgun. A 1911’s strengths with Glock 19 size and capacity. |
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