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Post by MOK on May 15, 2018 19:00:46 GMT
Sorry guys, but aren’t the weights that women do aerobics with 5lbs? Why is 6 1/2lbs SO heavy? Don’t any of you work out with weighted vests or heavier than normal swords? Well, lifting 6lbs dumbbells is entirely different from swinging around a long 6lbs stick. In this case it's also not a matter of not being able to lift or move the thing, but of not being able to actually use it with the speed and finesse required of a real sword, because a real weapon must be light and agile enough not only to move, but to outmaneuver the opponent. It's the same reason why sledgehammers are crappy weapons despite hitting really hard. I mean, I sometimes do staff and two-hander drills with a weight lifting bar sans the weights, and it is a really good workout that engages all sorts of unusual muscle groups and outright forces you to pay more attention to your structure and balance, but I can't actually fence like that, you know? It's just way too slow and ponderous. There are real swords that weigh six pounds and even more, but they're all significantly larger than this.
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Post by tonystark on May 16, 2018 0:09:57 GMT
Same here, but I looked at using a weighted sword as a way to be faster when I picked up a lighter sword! It just seemed like some people were dogging on it for being a 6 1/2lb sword, but I think its a great one. Not ALL heavy swords are “ineffective!”
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on May 16, 2018 4:25:58 GMT
My 7 or 8 lb MRL Atlantean feels heavier than my 11 lb dumbbells in my hand and swinging them.
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Post by Jordan Williams on May 16, 2018 4:39:16 GMT
Same here, but I looked at using a weighted sword as a way to be faster when I picked up a lighter sword! It just seemed like some people were dogging on it for being a 6 1/2lb sword, but I think its a great one. Not ALL heavy swords are “ineffective!” I don't think anyone is really dogging on it, I think they're just noting it's a beastly sword. Honestly I would have expected it to be heavier, but it's a testament to Banzai's skill that it's not 10 pound monster.
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Post by MOK on May 16, 2018 10:44:40 GMT
I don't think anyone is really dogging on it, I think they're just noting it's a beastly sword. Honestly I would have expected it to be heavier, but it's a testament to Banzai's skill that it's not 10 pound monster. Yeah, this. For a real sword it's twice as heavy as it should be, and that cannot help but make it, indeed, "ineffective" as a weapon - it's like a sports car with another car in tow at all times, you know - but then, it's not designed primarily for performance as a real weapon, and for what it is, a replica based very closely on old kids' fantasy artwork, I really am impressed (once again).
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Post by brotherbanzai on May 16, 2018 12:52:19 GMT
Yeah stormmaster, and a matching set of He-Man/Skeletor (maybe even She-Ra) swords could be pretty neat, but you would have to be a reeeeealy big He-Man fan to invest in something like that.
Thanks Hrimnir, though of course I can't really take credit for the design, as that is from the original cartoon and comics.
Thank you Alexander, yes I did get the bronzes pretty nicely polished before sending them off to be nickel plated.
Talk of how "usable" an oversized fantasy sword is compared to a historical sword always seems a bit silly to me. It would be like someone making a replica of the tumbler batmobile from The Dark Night which is actually drivable and then people going, "yeah but the gas mileage must be terrible and how would you ever be able to find parking?" Kind of missing the point. People want swords like this because of the feeling it evokes and the pride of owning something which looks like imagination come to life while actually being constructed in the way a "real" sword is with things like a hardened, tempered, and sharpened high carbon steel blade and keyed and peened pommel. No, it doesn't handle like a 40 inch historical sword, but how many 40 inch historical swords had blades that swept out to 4 3/4 inches wide, had billiard ball sized pommels, and enormous guards? It's a silly comparison. It looks like the imaginary version, but it's real, and is theoretically usable. The owner could take it down off the wall and cut with it confidently. Could you sword fight with it? Yes. Would you want to if your opponent had a more realistically weighted sword? Probably not if skill levels were otherwise equal. But guess what, you're never going to get into an actual sword fight with this sword. You're never going to get into a sword fight with any sword, its all fantasy to some extent.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on May 16, 2018 17:56:43 GMT
Amen! (...says the man with the 8 lb Atlantean) (... and don't forget: When you swing such a beast all your other swords become lighter and lighter!)
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Post by Hrimnir on May 16, 2018 18:35:29 GMT
To be fair my comment was more focusing on design and looks. Yes its far too heavy, but as others have said, if anyone else made this it would have been 10lbs instead of 6.
Most fantasy swords are unusable inasmuch as they have stupid spikes or random sharp edges in places they absolutely shouldnt be. So they would end up injuring or killing the user in the process. This is usable inasmuch as it could be swung in a normal sword manner and technique. Albeit it would be heavy, hard to control, etc, it *could* be used as a proper sword
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Post by MOK on May 16, 2018 20:31:47 GMT
But guess what, you're never going to get into an actual sword fight with this sword. Dude! Don't jinx it!
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Post by Jordan Williams on May 16, 2018 20:45:55 GMT
But guess what, you're never going to get into an actual sword fight with this sword. Dude! Don't jinx it!
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Post by Zen_Hydra on May 16, 2018 21:24:30 GMT
I want to see someone do a two-halved Power Sword (like it was in the OG toyline). Each sword could have an asymmetrical chisel edge, and a hilt like Chinese double broadswords/butterfly swords. Cleverly inset rare-earth magnets could run down the middle of the flat sides, and the two halves would come together like magic. It would be a huge pain in the ass to make, but it would be a real testament to the maker's skill.
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Post by tonystark on May 16, 2018 21:53:13 GMT
Amen! (...says the man with the 8 lb Atlantean) (... and don't forget: When you swing such a beast all your other swords become lighter and lighter!) Exactly!
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Post by tonystark on May 16, 2018 21:55:44 GMT
Same here, but I looked at using a weighted sword as a way to be faster when I picked up a lighter sword! It just seemed like some people were dogging on it for being a 6 1/2lb sword, but I think its a great one. Not ALL heavy swords are “ineffective!” I don't think anyone is really dogging on it, I think they're just noting it's a beastly sword. Honestly I would have expected it to be heavier, but it's a testament to Banzai's skill that it's not 10 pound monster. I hear ya! I agree it is testament to his skill.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2018 22:46:58 GMT
Since I have not figured out yet, how to go around Shanghai Customs, to get my monster katana back to Sinosword, for polishing off the embedded rust, I have been using it. It weighs 5 pounds 8 ounces with a wide 36 inch long blade with little distal taper (yeah I ordered it that way). 6 months ago, it was very difficult to do disciplined kata moves because of the weight. Now, it does not seem so heavy. Now, when I use my 3 pound dojo pro O-katana, it seems light and fast in comparison. See pic of dojo pro O-katana on top and Sinosword monster katana on bottom.
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Post by Ouroboros on May 18, 2018 23:22:40 GMT
Breathtaking. Love that nickle plated bronze! What a piece... I feel unworthy to have even viewed its glory.
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Post by brotherbanzai on May 19, 2018 14:02:46 GMT
True AndiTheBarvarian, though I would caution that doing techniques with a very heavy sword in the same way they would be done with a more realistically weighted sword could potentially lead to injury in the users joints, for certain kinds of movements. But otherwise, I agree :)
Thanks Hrimnir, I agree that many "fantasy" swords don't take into account how a sword is actually supposed to function or how the wielder is supposed to use it without puncturing himself in the extremities.
Well MOK, there's always hope I suppose ;)
That's a doable design zenhydra, if someone ever wanted to pay for something like that. Though even more unusable.
Thanks tonystark.
Thank you very much ouroboros. The fellow who does the nickel plating for me told me that they are able to do gold plating as well now. That might be interesting to see one day, though it would add a huge chunk to the cost of a build.
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Post by MOK on May 19, 2018 15:00:09 GMT
True AndiTheBarvarian, though I would caution that doing techniques with a very heavy sword in the same way they would be done with a more realistically weighted sword could potentially lead to injury in the users joints, for certain kinds of movements. But otherwise, I agree It also distorts your technique. I mean, it's fine for weight training, a lot more fun (and likely more useful) than just lifting, but not a substitute for practice with a "real" sword (or a more realistic simulator).
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on May 19, 2018 15:21:47 GMT
I use my 5 kg dumbbells as a substitute for the Atlantean and both normally for slow moves and holding such a weight with straightened arms in front if me. Static staying power or stamina? (Sorry, my English isn't good enough for such things). Fast moves and stops with such a weight will surely kill the joints. But I see the result of such a strenght when swinging other swords.
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Sept 16, 2021 12:29:58 GMT
Enjoying looking at this. How cool is it?! So cool HeMan is back on Netflix 😃
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Post by Alexander on Sept 18, 2021 9:23:19 GMT
Hey Brendan its really not about Heman, he gets offed in the first episode. The whole show is about Man at Arms daughter. Heman's been woked.
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