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Post by ambulocetus on May 7, 2018 4:23:43 GMT
Seido just posted a video of Shinmuso Hayashizaki Ryu, A style that does Iai with a Nodachi. Very interesting to watch.
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Post by christain on May 7, 2018 10:43:08 GMT
I'm sorry, but this makes no sense to me whatsoever. Just hard to watch...
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Post by leviathansteak on May 7, 2018 11:02:17 GMT
So it seems that nodachi guy draws the sword first in a number of these kata, implying that he's the attacker.
My question is, if you've got the huge sword and the other guy's got a wakizashi, why would you choose to approach him at close range then draw? Wouldn't you be in his optimal short range of his short blade?
I can understand of wakizashi guy approaches close and sits with you before suddenly drawing, thats an advantage for him considering his weapon... but why does the nodachi guy do it? It seems more logical to draw it beforehand.
These kata would make more sense to me if the wakizashi guy was attacking and the nodachi guy was defending. But that doesnt seem to be what's depicted here. Unless im missing something?
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Post by christain on May 7, 2018 11:29:52 GMT
I'd throw a war hammer at him, then behead him with my Viking sword.
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Post by ambulocetus on May 7, 2018 12:55:44 GMT
Well, I don't know much about this style, but I do know that many Koryu styles have techniques that appear "sketchy" to those of us on the outside, but there is usually a reason for the way they do things that the students learn through oral teachings. Or it could be just as impractical as it appears. Since I know little about the style, anything else I could say would just be conjecture. Still, it is interesting to see how one can do Batto with a long sword. It looks like it's at least 36 inches. The wakizashi worn by the opponent looks a little peculiar too.
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Post by pgandy on May 7, 2018 13:12:14 GMT
There must be something that I am missing as I don’t understand what is being demonstrated. I see the close encounters and what is happening from that standpoint both defensively and aggressively. What I don’t understand is why someone with such a long sword would get that close losing all the advantage of have such a long weapon. The only thing I can figure is "a what if situation".
In regards to the OP question, no, I do not like big swords. Perhaps, perhaps, on an open battle field but that is not my case.
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Post by 28shadow on May 7, 2018 15:02:48 GMT
I THINK the point the performers are trying to show are not set Kata that exist for an actual "combative" reason, but to prove a point that they can actually draw the sword in such a limited space. Which is impressive as a feat of skill.
However to my knowledge a sword of this size was never worn in "Civilian" clothes and was predominantly a battlefield weapon. If someone wants to correct me on that, they can.
I do find it interesting. I don't normally prefer larger swords, though it does depend on the sword. I like all my swords that use two hands to fit within a certain range and my swords that are meant for one hand w/no shield to be of a certain length. However my predominant interest are in weapons I would carry myself in a civilian setting. On a campaign or battlefield that may change. I may not even want a sword, who knows.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on May 7, 2018 15:38:05 GMT
This just looks awkward, and slow. I've read some old miaodao manuals which depict a more fluid manner for drawing and readying a large sword.
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Post by Cosmoline on May 7, 2018 17:57:19 GMT
I prefer this
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on May 7, 2018 18:01:34 GMT
Somehow I miss the old man there ...
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Post by harrybeck on May 7, 2018 18:12:23 GMT
I cannot lie, I like big b......swords.
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Post by zabazagobo on May 7, 2018 19:17:35 GMT
I don't really see how a lot of these forms would make much sense, it's not too often one takes a seat with an odachi strapped to their belt. It's cool to see odachi in action, and they're tricky to use in tight quarters so this is interesting, but I'm not quite sure this is the optimal use of one given a shorter blade would be much better in much of the context presented here. I think 28shadow has the right of it, it isn't the most viable technique but it is darn impressive that it can be done given the size of the weapon. I'm usually not a fan of 'big swords' when it comes to Japanese style blades since I like dual-wielding/nito. I do like longer swords if they're double edged, but even then I prefer longswords of moderate length (35 in. or so). Those have plenty of reach and are plenty agile. Compared to odachi, something like what Cosmoline linked to is more stylistically sensible. It just seems like odachi would have too much windup and time lapse between strikes compared to something with two edges and consequently the odachi doesn't flow as smoothly.
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Post by tonystark on May 8, 2018 3:57:53 GMT
I cannot lie, I like big b......swords. You other brothers can’t deny! LOL I’m 6’ tall and generally prefer longer blades myself. Most of my Katana are of the “O” persuasion, and my Euro-stock is Longswords, Bastard.....etc. I don’t know, but trying to use an arming sword or even a katana with a 27-28” blade just throws me of balance. Any other taller Gents experience anything like that?
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Post by Ouroboros on May 8, 2018 4:30:46 GMT
I've odd and old experience with incorporating some of the draw block and counter you see in some of the tenshin ryu vids from earlier training in Toronto. The fluidity demonstrated with the large sword in close quarters is impressive but I think I'd default to the shorter weapon like wak or tanto in such close quarters unless I had non and could rely only on the mass of the nodachi and not it's full cutting ability but specific parts (say a quarter draw and using the exposed blade to inflict damage at close quarters, the koshira to bludgeon, tsuba to bash)
Some of the forms being demonstrated can cross between sizes of blade while others appear to be a live demonstration of of what I would have practiced with a n odachi as kata forms "back in the hazy salad days of the mean cold streets off Lake Ontario's north east shore..." (ha! Yeah right not as cold as Ottawa!).
I agree though with most of the above posters that the size of blade is best used on an open battlefield and not in close quarters fighting--though this is a good demonstration of how it might be used that I just found on YouTube K
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Post by ambulocetus on May 8, 2018 5:18:59 GMT
Interesting. I used to be in a style called Tenshin Ryu. I don't think they are related though, because it was written as 天真流 and they don't seem to have anything in common. It looks like it's a fun style to practice, even if it is a little too flashy.
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Post by Timo Nieminen on May 8, 2018 5:54:06 GMT
[I don’t know, but trying to use an arming sword or even a katana with a 27-28” blade just throws me of balance. Any other taller Gents experience anything like that? I like big swords, but I like short swords too. If you feel off-balance with an arming sword, maybe what you need is a shield or buckler in your off-hand (for the mental balance, not the physical balance, of course).
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on May 8, 2018 7:31:20 GMT
Dito!
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Post by Ouroboros on May 8, 2018 12:00:29 GMT
Interesting. I used to be in a style called Tenshin Ryu. I don't think they are related though, because it was written as 天真流 and they don't seem to have anything in common. It looks like it's a fun style to practice, even if it is a little too flashy. Agreed this is a different style than what I learned but it was the closest I could find to the nodachi work we did a quarter century ago 😕 maaaaan having just written 25 years...im gonna get a coffee n bemoan the fact that 25byears seems like yesterday 😁 K O/s yeah...i like big swords.
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Post by ambulocetus on May 8, 2018 12:21:49 GMT
Here is another style that uses a large sword. Note how he uses his waist and footwork to go with the momentum of the weight, rather than fighting against it.
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Post by pgandy on May 8, 2018 13:29:59 GMT
I suppose that to me it’s more of a practicality issue. I lack space. And to me those long blades will be more of a hindrance. I see these fellows in spacious areas such as a gym, I wish.
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