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SIG P365
Feb 15, 2018 7:48:09 GMT
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Post by Croccifixio on Feb 15, 2018 7:48:09 GMT
I can’t get this gun out of my head. It’s not available in my country yet (might be within the year) but I’m thinking this might force manufacturers to adapt quickly or lose a lot of ground to Sig. 10+1 rounds of 9mm in what is essentially a Glock 43 sized gun.
Anyway, have any of you ordered one?
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Post by brotherbanzai on Feb 15, 2018 15:42:04 GMT
I prefer to wait until a new firearm has been out for a bit before I buy it, figuring I'll let others work out any bugs and be sure there aren't any likely reliability issues. If there aren't issues, I expect I'll be getting one.
I'm actually kind of bummed about this gun, I've been waiting for a design like this for years and finally gave in and switched from my single stack 9mm carry to a glock 26 with a 12 round magpul magazine (which seems to only hold 11) thinking no one was ever going to make it (other than Taurus, sort of, which wouldn't be top of my list for a carry gun manufacturer).
If I had known the Sig p365 was coming, I would have waited and got it instead. I actually just bought an new single stack carry for summer as well, so there's two new firearms I bought that would both be replaced by the Sig.
I've been thinking the same thing you have, if other 1st tier manufacturers don't make direct competitors to the Sig, they are going to loose a lot of market, assuming the Sig doesn't end up with issues.
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Post by bluetrain on Feb 15, 2018 18:12:59 GMT
But if you wait too long, you'll be saying "they don't make them the way they used to."
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Post by harrybeck on Feb 15, 2018 18:22:09 GMT
i invested in a sig p250 and p320 combo, and the subcompact setup is a damn good carry sidearm. I understand the 365 isn't modular, but it still looks pretty good.
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Post by harrybeck on Feb 15, 2018 18:22:31 GMT
i invested in a sig p250 and p320 combo, and the subcompact setup is a damn good carry sidearm. I understand the 365 isn't modular, but it still looks pretty good.
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SIG P365
Feb 15, 2018 21:00:19 GMT
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Post by Croccifixio on Feb 15, 2018 21:00:19 GMT
I prefer to wait until a new firearm has been out for a bit before I buy it, figuring I'll let others work out any bugs and be sure there aren't any likely reliability issues. If there aren't issues, I expect I'll be getting one. I'm actually kind of bummed about this gun, I've been waiting for a design like this for years and finally gave in and switched from my single stack 9mm carry to a glock 26 with a 12 round magpul magazine (which seems to only hold 11) thinking no one was ever going to make it (other than Taurus, sort of, which wouldn't be top of my list for a carry gun manufacturer). If I had known the Sig p365 was coming, I would have waited and got it instead. I actually just bought an new single stack carry for summer as well, so there's two new firearms I bought that would both be replaced by the Sig. I've been thinking the same thing you have, if other 1st tier manufacturers don't make direct competitors to the Sig, they are going to loose a lot of market, assuming the Sig doesn't end up with issues. Same here. I actually carry my Taurus PT111 g2 more than my Glock 26. The difference in printing is noticeable given my work clothes (formal wear). The Taurus even has the edge in malfunctions, having gone through 2k rounds uncleaned w/o failures while the Glock suffered three. But yes the p365 makes single stacks obsolete. My most carried gun is actually a 380 Baby Rock and this would definitely replace that one as EDC anywhere and everywhere. Hope it’s reliable. So far I’ve heard mostly positive things.
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Post by William Swiger on Feb 15, 2018 23:25:11 GMT
Guns I here in VA:
Beretta 92FS Pistol 9mm Springfield 1911 .45 Glock 357
I guess I am old school in a way and like revolvers:
Smith & Wesson Model 25 Classic Revolver .45 LC Cimarron 7th Calvary Revolver .45 LC Ruger Blackhawk Revolver .45 LC Ruger Super Blackhawk Bisley Hunter Revolver .44 Mag Ruger GP100 Revolver .357 Taurus 605 Revolver .357
The Taurus is a nice and small carry revolver. The Glock is the first one I have owned and it is alright but has not grown on me. The Ruger Hunter is a monster hand cannon......heavy.
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SIG P365
Feb 16, 2018 1:43:11 GMT
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Post by Croccifixio on Feb 16, 2018 1:43:11 GMT
Bill, which one do you carry? I’ve been thinking of having a wheel gun for the times that I might need to carry without a holster
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Post by William Swiger on Feb 16, 2018 1:47:20 GMT
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Post by bluetrain on Feb 16, 2018 14:45:29 GMT
New Sigs are a little on the expensive side for me but I've got my eye on a used P239. It's not a particularly lightweight gun, though, but it's about the same weight as a Colt Lightweight Commander, which I've frequently went out on a limb and claimed it was almost perfect. Yet I don't have one. Another perfect gun is a S&W Model 65 with a 3-inch barrel. It's a powerful package and I don't have one of them either. But I've owned one of each (along with maybe 30 or 40 other handguns in the last 50 years). Currently my choice for the woods is a Colt .38 Super. That's an adequate cartridge but unlike the .45 ACP, you actually have to hit the target for it to do any good.
Those little Sig P938 pistols sure are attractive but I haven't seen one at a price, new or used, that I'm willing to pay. But I also live in a high rent district. Gun prices 200 miles away are a little lower. Anyway, I like to patronize my local gun shop first.
I will also admit to a weakness for Star pistols but I have many weaknesses.
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Post by brotherbanzai on Feb 17, 2018 15:01:37 GMT
Hey bluetrain, I've seen the P365 listed under $500 regularly, actually down to $465 once already, which isn't all that pricey. What does seem pretty pricey is that apparently the extended 12 round magazines for it will be around $40. I recently bought my wife the P238, which is tiny enough for her to carry but pretty nice to shoot for being so small. The P239 is a nice looking firearm, but then you're back to 7+1 or 8+1 in a single stack. I've seen the P938 on sale in one variation or another online for around $500, if you have someplace close by to do a reasonably priced transfer. Hey William Swiger, I have the .38 only version of that same Taurus- For me personally, .357 is too unpleasant to shoot in such a small gun, and from what I've read (no actual personal experience) the ballistics out of a barrel that short aren't that different for .357 vs .38 special. Also, it was on sale for $179 which was too cheap to pass up. Hey Croccifixio, If you're going to pocket carry a revolver, you'll probably want one without an exposed hammer. I agree that the difference in printing can be pretty noticeable from single to double stack. I switched from my old Kahr PW9 to the Glock 26 only because I felt the magpul 12 rd magazine made the extra width worthwhile. Pic with magpul magazine- Where I live, you can open carry with a carry permit (so printing isn't really an issue) but I find that with lighter clothing, my shirt is always getting hung up on the G26 when I get out of the car and I have to run my hand along the bottom edge of my shirt to free it. Not a huge issue or enough to see the actual firearm but a bit of a hassle. The Glock is still nice in that it will take any of the longer Glock magazines, and they are often available for around $20, but I would definitely prefer a thinner carry gun that I don't have to think about once it's on my belt. The P365 is even thinner than the Kahr. So far, everything I've heard about the P365 have also been positive. I would have taken a chance on one right away had I not just recently bought the other two, but now I'll go ahead and wait for more long term reports on reliability before I get one.
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Post by slav on Feb 17, 2018 17:16:01 GMT
Handled one. It's very very nice. Thin, but obviously not quite as thin as the single stack 9s. However the ergonomics make it feel almost as compact. Trigger is typical Sig. Longer than you might expect but butter-smooth and has a nice consistent break.
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Post by William Swiger on Feb 17, 2018 23:07:43 GMT
Yeah, the Taurus 605 with the .357 will wear your hand out if you shoot a while with it. You can also shoot a .38 Special round if you want.
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SIG P365
Feb 17, 2018 23:14:20 GMT
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Post by Croccifixio on Feb 17, 2018 23:14:20 GMT
Jeffrey:
In my country we can only carry concealed. And since my work requires me to be in a suit everyday, and sometimes take it off, I need a gun that barely prints and that would, at times when I take the suit off, be easy to slip inside a suit’s inner pocket. The G26 never quite worked out for me in that regard, since it’s a bit fat. The grip height is fine, but when I place it in a suit pocket it bulges, and if I keep it IWB I can only really conceal it at the 4/5 o clock position. The G43 is perfect in that sense but at 6 or 7+1, it’s not my favorite. The PT111g2 takes the cake there being almost as thin but with double the rounds. Still not perfect since some of my suits have pockets where the gun won’t fit.
I think the expensive mags will be worth it, since the gun is quite cheap. Not quite to the level of Glock mags but decent enough.
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Post by brotherbanzai on Feb 18, 2018 14:51:21 GMT
I just read that Sig is currently working on several initial issues with the P365, so better to wait a while anyway. I think they may have even halted production as some issues have been pretty major. Just saw this new information yesterday.
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SIG P365
Feb 18, 2018 15:01:05 GMT
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Post by Croccifixio on Feb 18, 2018 15:01:05 GMT
Heh, by the time it reaches our shores most new gun models are already well within their first year of production and would likely be post-growing pains (case in point, Glock Gen 5 still isn’t available here, and M&P 2.0s only just arrived late December.
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Post by bluetrain on Feb 19, 2018 12:26:07 GMT
Regarding pistols, I read of more complaints about magazines than anything else, which makes me wonder. Are they really that bad? In fifty years of owning pistols, I've never had a problem with magazines. And most armies around the world have been using pistols instead of revolvers for over a hundred years. Anyway, most magazines seem to around $40, for current production or pistols that have been out of production for decades. But some aftermarket magazines do have bad reputations. Chances are, most gun enthusiasts would think the magazines for a .45 auto that the army used to issue are inferior. At least you don't need but a couple of extras anyway.
Regarding shooting a lightweight pistol or revolver with a powerful round, I generally suggest limiting your shooting session (for that particular gun) to no more than the number of round you might normally carry. Shooting too many (a highly elastic term) will not only make your hand and wrist hurt, which is not good, it will change your opinion of the gun. Moreover, after some point it becomes detrimental rather than beneficial. But that's just my opinion. Do whatever you want.
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Post by William Swiger on Feb 19, 2018 16:04:19 GMT
I look at a concealed carry gun as a very close shooting situation and not a prolonged gunfight. I want something powerful in a little hand cannon. If you don't panic and place 2-.357 rounds at point blank range, that will be enough.
Of course, there are many different rounds that can get the job done.
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Post by bluetrain on Feb 19, 2018 17:24:21 GMT
I have owned both a Colt lightweight Commander and a Colt lightweight Officer's ACP, both in .45 auto. It was remarkable how different the two were, given how little different the dimensions and weights were. The Officer's ACP was a real handful when you fired it, yet the Commander model was one of the easiest guns to shoot and make hits with I ever had. And it was no bigger than a typical 9mm today, slightly thinner, in fact. I can't for the life of me figure why I don't have one now. The blast from either was not bad, nor was the recoil all that sharp, compared with a .357 in a S&W K-frame. The blast from a .357 is terrific, although the recoil wasn't so bad. Elmer Keith said the .357 magnum was good for people with weak hands.
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Post by brotherbanzai on Mar 14, 2018 13:41:19 GMT
I look at a concealed carry gun as a very close shooting situation and not a prolonged gunfight. I want something powerful in a little hand cannon. If you don't panic and place 2-.357 rounds at point blank range, that will be enough. Of course, there are many different rounds that can get the job done. I have a somewhat different view. In my mind, concealed carry is similar to the seatbelt in a car; an emergency device which is always in place but hopefully never used. But also like the little toolbox in the storage area; I don't know exactly what emergency I might need it for, so I want it to be as flexible in use as possible, while still fitting comfortably enough in it's spot to be there at all times. If the emergency ever comes, I expect there would be a decent possibility that there may be more than a single threat, so capacity figures into my choice of what to carry. If the situation should ever arise, I expect I may do no more than default to my lowest level of training mastery (which isn't all that high) and would expect some panic to be involved. Reasonable opinions vary and people should obviously carry what they are comfortable with. For me, the P365 would have fit about perfectly into the spot I mentally have for a carry gun.
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