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Post by Jordan Williams on Feb 12, 2018 22:12:05 GMT
For instance, I can't buy something that looks like the Castir... That's a shame. Something wrong with the real-life look? Phone autocorrect, I had meant to say I could. Castir is my favorite design so far lol.
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Post by stormmaster on Feb 12, 2018 22:24:23 GMT
wonder if the castir hilt is all metal? if so it would be great for an option to have it all blued that would look good i think
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Post by legacyofthesword on Feb 12, 2018 22:34:18 GMT
The Castir: Now that's more like it! It's very unusual, but still has elements of historical swords. It looks finished: it has a lot of variation and details in the design, instead of being plain. Plus it's big - y'know, I think that may be one of the big reasons the other designs may be less appealing: they're just kinda small. I don't know, just seems like a fantasy sword should be fairly large....
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Post by celegon on Feb 12, 2018 22:34:50 GMT
damn, these swords are looking great
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 22:40:23 GMT
A truth is that this was a vanity project promoted mostly by the designers that were selected. While I checked in on the design and discussions from time to time, it seems to me the eagerness and interest in defending a new world with a story kind of got lost in current events. How come a designated project manager isn't more involved in promotion?
Woe is, is if pre-orders occur and then are never produced. Not to be a complete stick in the mud but I wouldn't expect many orders and outright sales of completed stock, even considering a few pages of meager interest in this thread.
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Post by sevicler on Feb 12, 2018 22:45:08 GMT
damn, these swords are looking great I believe this is yours: And the Castir's hilt is Metal/wood, though I think its metal core and wood 'wrapped' around the middle part. here's an older image of it:
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Post by Aikidoka on Feb 12, 2018 22:49:46 GMT
And the Castir's hilt is Metal/wood, though I think its metal core and wood 'wrapped' around the middle part. here's an older image of it: And then it is peened?
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Post by Pink Pummy on Feb 12, 2018 22:51:24 GMT
Holy moly, the castir looks amazing! Now I'm confused though, are multiple manufacturers creating the SBG designs? Somebody said these new photos are made by BCI? Can anyone elaborate, because I thought it was scorpion swords making these, but the gladius looks quite different from the one currently up for sale made by them.
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Post by sevicler on Feb 12, 2018 22:54:41 GMT
Holy moly, the castir looks amazing! Now I'm confused though, are multiple manufacturers creating the SBG designs? Somebody said these new photos are made by BCI? Can anyone elaborate, because I thought it was scorpion swords making these, but the gladius looks quite different from the one currently up for sale made by them. the first 4 winners are made by BCI. the latter 3, which are the main topic of this thread, are made by Scorpion Swords. @aikidoka I don't know the exact method BCI used to assemble it since it was never mentioned in the progress emaiI I received nor in the website itself but I'd guess it is peened instead of threaded from whatever pictures are available. I'll be sure to let you all know once I receive the blade
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Post by Aikidoka on Feb 12, 2018 23:11:54 GMT
@aikidoka I don't know the exact method BCI used to assemble it since it was never mentioned in the progress emaiI I received nor in the website itself but I'd guess it is peened instead of threaded from whatever pictures are available. I'll be sure to let you all know once I receive the blade Thanks! In your initial design, you mentioned the inner curve only being sharpened 3/4 of the way. Is that the case in the final design or is the entire edge sharpened? I'm wondering how this would function if used like a Dacian Falx.
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Post by sevicler on Feb 13, 2018 0:36:45 GMT
@aikidoka I don't know the exact method BCI used to assemble it since it was never mentioned in the progress emaiI I received nor in the website itself but I'd guess it is peened instead of threaded from whatever pictures are available. I'll be sure to let you all know once I receive the blade Thanks! In your initial design, you mentioned the inner curve only being sharpened 3/4 of the way. Is that the case in the final design or is the entire edge sharpened? I'm wondering how this would function if used like a Dacian Falx. I hope that is the case in the final design. Both edges will be sharpened because the Castir is meant to be used as both a Dacian Falx and a Katana. Frankly, I don't know whether or not BCI will have the 3/4 or the whole false edge sharpened. That picture I have with the red tsukamaki was the last progress update I recieved. And revisions/corrections are no longer possible for the prototype. However, I would like to make a few changes for the production version of the Castir. The prototype currently has a Differentially Hardened blade and will probably have 3/4 of its false edge sharpened. If this is detrimental to the design I'd ask Paul to change the production model to be monotempered and have the whole false edge sharpened. This way, I think the production model would be superior to the prototype.
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Post by zabazagobo on Feb 13, 2018 0:43:59 GMT
The way I see it, there's the three main factors everyone's discussed (lack of marketing, slow market conditions at the moment, lack of information/specs/demo's) and then subjective preferences.
For my subjective stuff, these designs are just too small and seem a bit heavy like others have gone into lots of detail about. The orc cleaver would be good if it was quite a bit larger, but at only 17 inches of blade and 11 inches of handle, it's just kind of tiny. Compared to something like a CS war dao, I wouldn't really consider this as a desirable option. The goblin king sword is kind of nifty, but the lack of hand protection and minimalist fittings somewhat underwhelms (back to the idea of a lot of people thinking fantasy = flashy). The only real problem with the gladius is the same problem with all three models: there's no proper scabbard congruent with the design and there's only a somewhat out-of-place looking black sheathe; if the leather was at least dyed to follow a theme with the blade it might be an easier sell.
So this batch just doesn't strike my fancy when there's other options on the market that are more appealing to my interests. The upcoming batch from BCI looks much better in the sense of appearing aesthetically fantastical, and I love the look of the Castir. If the price is right on the Castir I'll definitely buy one as it's a really cool design that looks like a fully realized fantasy sword. Plus it looks like a kanmuri-otoshi katana and a scythe had a sinister baby, and I love kanmuri-otoshi blades. The Vorpal Sword looks pretty sweet as well.
But as for ideas to promote sales of the current three models available, I guess it would make the most sense to rethink the scabbard situation as a first step to make the sale more appealing as a 'complete' package. Another tactic could be doing a demonstration video showing off the swords doing things that would impress (but maybe skip the steak filled boots). A final idea would be to create a richer fantasy tale around each model, if a sword is given a pretty cool and thorough backstory it may inspire buyer interest. Although I won't end up buying these three models (as they're not my cup of saké), I think these three tactics could help spur a sale from those who do like these types of swords.
Hopefully my verbose reply is at least somewhat helpful and doesn't come across as being even slightly harsh.
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Post by zabazagobo on Feb 13, 2018 0:45:51 GMT
Thanks! In your initial design, you mentioned the inner curve only being sharpened 3/4 of the way. Is that the case in the final design or is the entire edge sharpened? I'm wondering how this would function if used like a Dacian Falx. I hope that is the case in the final design. Both edges will be sharpened because the Castir is meant to be used as both a Dacian Falx and a Katana. Frankly, I don't know whether or not BCI will have the 3/4 or the whole false edge sharpened. That picture I have with the red tsukamaki was the last progress update I recieved. And revisions/corrections are no longer possible for the prototype. However, I would like to make a few changes for the production version of the Castir. The prototype currently has a Differentially Hardened blade and will probably have 3/4 of its false edge sharpened. If this is detrimental to the design I'd ask Paul to change the production model to be monotempered and have the whole false edge sharpened. This way, I think the production model would be superior to the prototype. It's double edged too? And differentially hardened? Yeah, this keeps sounding better and better.
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Post by Croccifixio on Feb 13, 2018 0:56:15 GMT
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Post by Jordan Williams on Feb 13, 2018 1:01:50 GMT
Thanks! In your initial design, you mentioned the inner curve only being sharpened 3/4 of the way. Is that the case in the final design or is the entire edge sharpened? I'm wondering how this would function if used like a Dacian Falx. I hope that is the case in the final design. Both edges will be sharpened because the Castir is meant to be used as both a Dacian Falx and a Katana. Frankly, I don't know whether or not BCI will have the 3/4 or the whole false edge sharpened. That picture I have with the red tsukamaki was the last progress update I recieved. And revisions/corrections are no longer possible for the prototype. However, I would like to make a few changes for the production version of the Castir. The prototype currently has a Differentially Hardened blade and will probably have 3/4 of its false edge sharpened. If this is detrimental to the design I'd ask Paul to change the production model to be monotempered and have the whole false edge sharpened. This way, I think the production model would be superior to the prototype. Honestly, I think foible edged and monotempered would be a great deal more improved. The curve would make it a great cutter and the design of the handle with the heel going out farther on one side would also support using it with the false edge.
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Post by stormmaster on Feb 13, 2018 1:07:57 GMT
nice Croccifixio looks pretty awesome, i likey gimme also, is the blade Differentially Hardened? it sorta looks like it is in the last pic
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Post by sevicler on Feb 13, 2018 1:08:13 GMT
I hope that is the case in the final design. Both edges will be sharpened because the Castir is meant to be used as both a Dacian Falx and a Katana. Frankly, I don't know whether or not BCI will have the 3/4 or the whole false edge sharpened. That picture I have with the red tsukamaki was the last progress update I recieved. And revisions/corrections are no longer possible for the prototype. However, I would like to make a few changes for the production version of the Castir. The prototype currently has a Differentially Hardened blade and will probably have 3/4 of its false edge sharpened. If this is detrimental to the design I'd ask Paul to change the production model to be monotempered and have the whole false edge sharpened. This way, I think the production model would be superior to the prototype. Honestly, I think foible edged and monotempered would be a great deal more improved. The curve would make it a great cutter and the design of the handle with the heel going out farther on one side would also support using it with the false edge. Agreed. BCI went off the wrong set of instructions when they built the prototype. Which is why I want some revisions on the production model's design. Yeah I also agree that the brass blade collar/habaki needs to be a little wider. By the way, what is a 'foible edge'?
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Post by sevicler on Feb 13, 2018 1:09:16 GMT
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Post by stormmaster on Feb 13, 2018 1:10:46 GMT
I'm really liking the looks of the 4 original winners, wonder if the price point will be around 400-600 or something like that
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Post by Jordan Williams on Feb 13, 2018 1:11:40 GMT
Honestly, I think foible edged and monotempered would be a great deal more improved. The curve would make it a great cutter and the design of the handle with the heel going out farther on one side would also support using it with the false edge. Agreed. BCI went off the wrong set of instructions when they built the prototype. Which is why I want some revisions on the production model's design. Yeah I also agree that the brass blade collar/habaki needs to be a little wider. By the way, what is a 'foible edge'? I'm really enjoying my phones autocorrect. Double edged. I don't know why it corrected it to foible, I probably made a typo somewhere that triggered it.
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