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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 17:57:58 GMT
I am sure Admin. Knows their sales data well. Therefore, fantasy design winners must have been chosen in part, due to that sales data. Yet, if the designs were directly marketed to at least 15,000 subscribers and no sales, what some suspect may be true. Although nice designs, they may be too extreme and unique to sell to many? Around 2009, SBG members designed a fantasy leaf blade and bastard swords. Swords were made by Baltimore Knife and Sword. I do not know how well they sold. They appear to be based from medieval sword designs. Most pics no longer work. But this is what I found. Here is a pic of the mega wide blade base, fantasy leaf blade sword: Here is a link to the fantasy leaf blade review: sbg-sword-forum.forums.net/thread/23977Two versions of the leaf blade, a standard and a great sword Here is a link to the fantasy leaf and bastard swords Review. Provides specifications for both swords. No working pics but a cutting video works (leaf is in first part and bastard is in second part of vid): sbg-sword-forum.forums.net/thread/18727Here are some pics of the fantasy bastard sword: Here is a cool link to the SBG Fantasy Sword Project, with good sword pics, on Baltimore Knife and Sword's website: imakeswords.com/sbg.htm" I do not know how well they sold." They oversold what the producer was able to make. If you really don't know, maybe do a little bit of work and read the old threads. The project was not as involved with Paul and SBG directly, but rather voted for and promoted by the maker themselves. This is a somewhat entirely different project and market model, going back to the initial design and voting threads. Compounding issues by changing gears midstream isn't going to do much aside from more "maybes". The elected group of swords are what will be available from this drive, not the older project swords and not what someone else wants voted in after the fact. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 18:07:32 GMT
Sorry, but I just don't understand your perspective. You seem to be emphasizing my reasons for a poll. Which I am sure is not your reason for being critical of a method to determine sellable sword designs.
Paul wanted to know why no sales after first 3 designs were marketed to at least 15,000 subscribers. A poll of a variety of designs may shed light upon what buyers want. I suggest the 2009 fantasy design as examples of medieval derived designs as opposed to the current extreme fantasy designs....if no one likes what's on the buffet, then add more items to it.
Your comment about how many swords have I purchased of the ones that I posted that I "adore" (don't recall using that term), is exactly the point of the polls. Meaning, what designs do buyers like ENOUGH to actual BUY.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 18:13:59 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 18:14:50 GMT
Just saw your latest post. I don't need to do anymore research into earlier project because my concern is for design only at this point. What did or did not happen with the manufacturing of the earlier designs are not relevant at this point. Focusing on sellable sword designs is, I would think.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 18:26:02 GMT
Sorry, but I just don't understand your perspective. You seem to be emphasizing my reasons for a poll. Which I am sure is not your reason for being critical of a method to determine sellable sword designs. Paul wanted to know why no sales after first 3 designs were marketed to at least 15,000 subscribers. A poll of a variety of designs may shed light upon what buyers want. I suggest the 2009 fantasy design as examples of medieval derived designs as opposed to the current extreme fantasy designs....if no one likes what's on the buffet, then add more items to it. Your comment about how many swords have I purchased of the ones that I posted that I "adore" (don't recall using that term), is exactly the point of the polls. Meaning, what designs do buyers like ENOUGH to actual BUY. My perspective is that you came into this particular thread to include the "cool" BKS swords as examples of what some might like, and to even include them in this group of fantasy swords. IMO, you did so without much consideration in the differences between the two projects. Indeed, wondering (of Paul) how many of the BKS swords sold. Paul wasn't involved. Further, you would like to increase the number of possible fantasy swords, with zero initial input into the original fantasy contest. Adding more to the buffet will indeed offer more and might indeed even further diminish interest in the original group of proposed swords, In other words, you'd like to see the project start all over with no involvement of the fantasy story and world these swords were meant to represent. Maybe you need your own fantasy and vanity project thread to promote your own designs? Blade Runner's Proposed Fantasy and Feasible Sword Design Project. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 18:32:55 GMT
Just saw your latest post. I don't need to do anymore research into earlier project because my concern is for design only at this point. What did or did not happen with the manufacturing of the earlier designs are not relevant at this point. Focusing on sellable sword designs is, I would think. It might do you some good. Again, adding more options to the current group of fantasy swords would only dilute the sales efforts and complicate production. Focusing on sword designs should (imo) be limited to the swords currently voted for and available for sale. New designs and votes belong to a new project. Voting for this group took place, the designs are being produced. |
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Post by Jussi Ekholm on Feb 18, 2018 18:53:49 GMT
I think it might help the sword sales if we would know what this fantasy project is? Like I said earlier I didn't get too interested about it but it seems a lot has been planned for it. I just thought it was SBG fantasy thread type thing.
I personally have 0 intrest of any of the designs in the OP but I could rather donate small amount to SBG to show support.
I still have the way of thinking that you should have the fantasy setting first and sword sales will come after that if the setting is good and gets a fanbase. I personally feel having swords first feels bit "forced".
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 18:56:00 GMT
Edel - You assume too much....and when you assume too much you make a ...well you know the rest.  Digest/newsletter subscriber direct marketing is one of the best methods to sell any product. If no sword sales to at least 15,000 sword loving subscribers, then they may have liked the designs, but not enough to buy. Therefore, existing designs need modification and or different designs are needed. If the 2009 "SBG Fantasy Sword Project" medieval fantasy sword designs are copyrighted by BKS, I am sure the current design competition includes other designs that could be considered if needed. |
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Post by Jussi Ekholm on Feb 18, 2018 18:59:09 GMT
Unfortunately it would most likely be a major setback if you would need to change the designs as wheels are already rolling on this project with these swords.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 19:06:19 GMT
Jussi - Yes, if many sword blanks and fittings are already made. I was hoping only prototypes were made so far.
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Post by dchisenh on Feb 18, 2018 19:16:12 GMT
I think it might help the sword sales if we would know what this fantasy project is? Like I said earlier I didn't get too interested about it but it seems a lot has been planned for it. I just thought it was SBG fantasy thread type thing. I personally have 0 intrest of any of the designs in the OP but I could rather donate small amount to SBG to show support. I still have the way of thinking that you should have the fantasy setting first and sword sales will come after that if the setting is good and gets a fanbase. I personally feel having swords first feels bit "forced".
Exactly what I was saying earlier. Also, the winners were chosen by Paul, not voted on. I'm thinking if it was put to a vote, like Blade Runner mentioned, at the start, some different designs would have been chosen and would more accurately reflect purchasing desire. I've said it before, most winners are derivations of currently produced blades. Without the establishment of the fantasy world, paying a premium for these makes no sense. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 19:28:48 GMT
My understanding was that these fantasy swords were supposed to have a backstory based in a fantasy world presented in a separate website that is still in beta. Offering the swords before the website might be making it a rather harder sell. If the fantasy world was available it might help drive orders because it would put the swords in context. People who aren't interested in the fantasy world likely aren't potential buyers anyway. As it is, calling something the 'Goblin King Sword' brings to mind LOTR... and since that blade doesn't look very much like the swords that were in the movie, it's not very interesting.
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Post by Ifrit on Feb 18, 2018 19:29:24 GMT
Gonna cross my fingers for tomorrow Latest picture of the Sword of Danu so far:  Thank you very much |
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Post by Ifrit on Feb 18, 2018 19:34:28 GMT
One reason why these designs were chosen, were not just for the design itself, but also the ease in which BCI could create the swords as well, plus how functional the blades themselves looked. It is one reason my design was switched from hand and a half to short sword, as the blade maker felt it would just work better, functionally
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 20:00:31 GMT
Edel - You assume too much....and when you assume too much you make a ...well you know the rest. Digest/newsletter subscriber direct marketing is one of the best methods to sell any product. If no sword sales to at least 15,000 sword loving subscribers, then they may have liked the designs, but not enough to buy. Therefore, existing designs need modification and or different designs are needed. If the 2009 "SBG Fantasy Sword Project" medieval fantasy sword designs are copyrighted by BKS, I am sure the current design competition includes other designs that could be considered if needed. 15,000 is a number. Not a currently read number. It is a total number of email addresses. How many actively following this discussion? How many typically even online reading this board in a given 24hr period? Of that number, actively posting? If you are my salesman, you are not selling me on your speculations. Adding more models hardly recoups any of the money already slated for current production. As mentioned in the original threads, perhaps, as expansion occurs. Read the threads, love the threads. Repeat and rinse. You are one making a lot of assumptions and I am indeed pointing them out. Carry on though. Users Online in the Last 24 Hours 9 Staff, 212 Members, 1,927 Guests. sbg-sword-forum.forums.net/board/91/fantasy-swords# (how many buyers responding?) 54 participants in this thread. That is speculatively a bit more than 25% of the current nominal active forum participants. Last I looked, a few minutes ago, there were less than a dozen registered members online. That's not to say there may not be 15,000 active emails. I have a handful of email accounts myself. I may even at one point have subscribed to the newsletter. I'm done |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 20:49:05 GMT
Edel - I am just trying to help like everyone eles. If you wish to continue down the path you are on, please PM me and I will respond. I do not mean this in an offense way but your comments seem antagonist in nature and I have no desire to debate them in this thread, as it will take attention away from the intent of the thread.
The intent of this thread being, Admin wanting to know from us, why only 3 sales after marketing the swords to 15,000 digest and 6,000 newsletter subscribers. Thanks.
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Post by Ifrit on Feb 18, 2018 20:50:18 GMT
Another thing that may influence the sales is the reviews  I've seen previously unknown swords become mildly popular after a review was made, back in my day. One that comes to mind is the dark sentinel. Until some dude pushed the sword to heavy work, it was an under rated gem |
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Post by stormmaster on Feb 18, 2018 21:04:42 GMT
thats why im saying that sbg should send one or 2 to various reviwers, maybe medieval review and skallagrim for review
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Post by Jordan Williams on Feb 18, 2018 21:15:45 GMT
thats why im saying that sbg should send one or 2 to various reviwers, maybe medieval review and skallagrim for review I agree, throw in Jensen and you have the trinity of N. American video reviewers. Plus you could just send the same to all three if you need to cut down on cost, and just cycle through it. Maybe give it to Skall last because he tends to go beyond what most users use swords for. |
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Post by Pink Pummy on Feb 18, 2018 21:18:21 GMT
The problem is all of those famous sword youtubers are super backlogged when it comes to mails/messages and also the reviews they have planned. Reaching out to them now might take a long time before it ends up on their channel. But I still agree that if you want exposure this is definitely the best way to go in these modern times
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I've seen previously unknown swords become mildly popular after a review was made, back in my day. One that comes to mind is the dark sentinel. Until some dude pushed the sword to heavy work, it was an under rated gem 
