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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 4:47:04 GMT
A non denial, denial sbg-sword-forum.forums.net/thread/28541/dsa-witchking-swordSomewhere here in box are some fittings identical in shape and dimension identical in appearance made of pot metal. They came off a $40 Witch King. On an older version of this board Eyal explained some of his fittings were cast of scrap steel, implying he was casting fittings. Years later, we see some bronze fittings being cast as an adjunct to the Day in the Life of video. Poster not identified to protect the innocent "My own two pennies here, but there is no way on this Earth I would give Eyal and DSA my money. Eyal is a nice enough guy personally, but he is too dishonest about his product, especially when it comes to his forge, his fittings materials, etc. Many of his hilt fittings (the Oslo, Anduril, and that weird type AE viking he did) all use a cheap cast zinc alloy, but he fervently claims that it is mild steel. No mild steel has that whitish color, and the metal he uses is non-magnetic. But he refuses to budge on the issue and it does nothing but destroy his credibility." Both the "damascus" Anduril and Witch King are cut and ground out of flat stock with no in house forging going on in their creation. Simply made from stock from a supplier. Nothing really wrong with that unless misrepresented. John Lundemo has used Rados billets for years. Eyal is not having these forged in house and most assuredly not being ground in house. That he might be assembling in house may be a given but that is as much credit as this cowboy will give him. What other hash can Eyal sling? Let's try this "Hi Steve, The guard and pommel on that model is made of Krupp steel. We do not use aluminum or stainless steel in our production. If they were made of aluminum they would simply snap right off. I apologize for not mentioning it on my response yesterday. I simply didn’t think of it after reading your review, which I quite enjoyed. I do not understand why you felt “annoyed” by our response, We simply commended you on an excellent review but voiced our concerned over the mention of “aluminum casting” as we do not use aluminum, let alone a casting process. Simple as that. In regards to the discussion of weigh, that has been answered earlier today. We were not avoiding the question, we only stumbled on the thread yesterday prior to closing shop. The question has been addressed on the thread. We do not avoid questions but, with an average of 130 emails a day, it’s understandable that we cannot monitor the sites every day, especially if one considers the magnitude of the forum (different sections, forums, thread categories, post titles, subject….SBG is huge!). That being said however, we are always here for our fans, supporters, and anyone interested in our swords or swords in general. We love talking with people about various makers, designs, combat groups and so forth. That one of the perks of the trade. If you feel like a query has not been answered, please, don’t hesitate to contact us, either by email or by phone (450-314-1134). We reply to all our emails twice a day. In any event, I hope this helps. We will be producing a video in the next few months." sbg-sword-forum.forums.net/thread/6154/2008-anduril-darksword?page=2So, nothing really new Brittania and maybe you can dig up some of the old dirt to refresh a positive opinion of DSA. Folk are welcome to spend money as they chose and certainly show support of a producer. Truths will carry a lot more weight than supposition and I'd genuinely love to see Eyal's men differentially tempering 5160 steel. In case anyone is curious or trying to remember, it Was Michael "Tinker" Pearce who used to draw back the temper with a torch. Swords by him even then in the four figure bracket. Let ignorance and inexperience prevail, that seems the SBG way. That is how we help others to learn. The saga of DSA goes back longer than some here have been alive and every school semester sees a new generation of neophytes. Just in case some raise the "it's all SFI's fault" Note management there decided they would post ad banners for them (currently disabled, yay). Anything for a buck, right? Take note of that last thread posted. It is classic Eyal. sbg-sword-forum.forums.net/thread/6154/2008-anduril-darksword |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 5:54:45 GMT
Thanx Edelweiss; i now i chose to fight windmills. But i will fight... be assured. There actually was a property sale; and if things maybe get worse with me, i will spend some of the money on DSA... but maybe not the way they expected.
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Post by Svadilfari on Jan 28, 2018 3:09:41 GMT
Several years ago, I purchased a DAS Anduril (old model) direct..was assured, in reply to an email query , that the fittings were mild steel. Imagine my disgust when I received the sword to discover that the fittings were some non-magnetic pot metal. DSA may CLAIM their fittings are mild steel..but if so..the castings have such a low percentage of steel as to be negligible. So..TECHNICALLY they may claim "Mild Steel" fittings..but unless you can see DEMONSTRATED a magnet sticking to them..buyer beware :( Add to that, the in-significant rat tail tang and the sword has been relegated to being purely a wall decoration :(
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2018 3:58:16 GMT
queue music (F..i...double n e...gan spells Finnegan)
C..h...arl...tan spells charla....
Hey, ya know? Anything for a buck, right?
New stuff seems better, so I read.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jan 28, 2018 4:23:37 GMT
I still don't believe that they even fabricate any blades within their shop or Canada for that matter. Give me a year and I'll dig up those shipping ledgers with the very similarly named sword blades being shipped out of India. Looks like we'll have a repeat of this thread each winter? Eyal may be nice enough and a few of their swords might be okay, but for me any pot metal usage in hilts meant to be steel is unacceptable.
Unless the pot is brass. bronze, or steel.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jan 28, 2018 4:44:35 GMT
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Post by elbrittania39 on Jan 28, 2018 4:47:47 GMT
A non denial, denial sbg-sword-forum.forums.net/thread/28541/dsa-witchking-swordSomewhere here in box are some fittings identical in shape and dimension identical in appearance made of pot metal. They came off a $40 Witch King. On an older version of this board Eyal explained some of his fittings were cast of scrap steel, implying he was casting fittings. Years later, we see some bronze fittings being cast as an adjunct to the Day in the Life of video. Poster not identified to protect the innocent "My own two pennies here, but there is no way on this Earth I would give Eyal and DSA my money. Eyal is a nice enough guy personally, but he is too dishonest about his product, especially when it comes to his forge, his fittings materials, etc. Many of his hilt fittings (the Oslo, Anduril, and that weird type AE viking he did) all use a cheap cast zinc alloy, but he fervently claims that it is mild steel. No mild steel has that whitish color, and the metal he uses is non-magnetic. But he refuses to budge on the issue and it does nothing but destroy his credibility." Both the "damascus" Anduril and Witch King are cut and ground out of flat stock with no in house forging going on in their creation. Simply made from stock from a supplier. Nothing really wrong with that unless misrepresented. John Lundemo has used Rados billets for years. Eyal is not having these forged in house and most assuredly not being ground in house. That he might be assembling in house may be a given but that is as much credit as this cowboy will give him. What other hash can Eyal sling? Let's try this "Hi Steve, The guard and pommel on that model is made of Krupp steel. We do not use aluminum or stainless steel in our production. If they were made of aluminum they would simply snap right off. I apologize for not mentioning it on my response yesterday. I simply didn’t think of it after reading your review, which I quite enjoyed. I do not understand why you felt “annoyed” by our response, We simply commended you on an excellent review but voiced our concerned over the mention of “aluminum casting” as we do not use aluminum, let alone a casting process. Simple as that. In regards to the discussion of weigh, that has been answered earlier today. We were not avoiding the question, we only stumbled on the thread yesterday prior to closing shop. The question has been addressed on the thread. We do not avoid questions but, with an average of 130 emails a day, it’s understandable that we cannot monitor the sites every day, especially if one considers the magnitude of the forum (different sections, forums, thread categories, post titles, subject….SBG is huge!). That being said however, we are always here for our fans, supporters, and anyone interested in our swords or swords in general. We love talking with people about various makers, designs, combat groups and so forth. That one of the perks of the trade. If you feel like a query has not been answered, please, don’t hesitate to contact us, either by email or by phone (450-314-1134). We reply to all our emails twice a day. In any event, I hope this helps. We will be producing a video in the next few months." sbg-sword-forum.forums.net/thread/6154/2008-anduril-darksword?page=2So, nothing really new Brittania and maybe you can dig up some of the old dirt to refresh a positive opinion of DSA. Folk are welcome to spend money as they chose and certainly show support of a producer. Truths will carry a lot more weight than supposition and I'd genuinely love to see Eyal's men differentially tempering 5160 steel. In case anyone is curious or trying to remember, it Was Michael "Tinker" Pearce who used to draw back the temper with a torch. Swords by him even then in the four figure bracket. Let ignorance and inexperience prevail, that seems the SBG way. That is how we help others to learn. The saga of DSA goes back longer than some here have been alive and every school semester sees a new generation of neophytes. Just in case some raise the "it's all SFI's fault" Note management there decided they would post ad banners for them (currently disabled, yay). Anything for a buck, right? Take note of that last thread posted. It is classic Eyal. sbg-sword-forum.forums.net/thread/6154/2008-anduril-darkswordNot sure how I ended up in the roll of DSA public relations but I don't really want to be here lol. I'll do my absolute best to reiterate my position. I've never owned a DSA sword and never intend to. The consensus seems to be that they're pretty bad. The only point I was trying to make, was that the KOA page and DSA page for the new Witch King sword did not call the fittings steel....that claiming being the reason this whole thread got started. I fully believe all of you that the company has lied to you in the past, I was just trying to point out that those previous concerns did not validate those brought up about the mislabeled preowned sword on KOA. edit: For what its worth I apologize if I misrepresented my position or upset anyone. That was never my intention. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2018 14:49:38 GMT
Unfortunately, the issues go well beyond one line of ad copy. What might be new about the current offering seems only blade deep. That doesn't change that Eyal has labeled the fittings as steel in the past. Not just that but he made up a story at the time. One could spend a lifetime either defending him or fighting him but in the end, really easier to just walk away or patronize his goods.
I suppose I was offering any an opportunity to simply do either instead of choosing a side. At the least, to show a basis of Eyal misrepresenting his goods (with little changing). I don't believe anyone reading hasn't seen your point but that doesn't really negate how another feels, one way or the other.
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Post by Gunnar Wolfgard on Jan 28, 2018 15:24:42 GMT
The bottom line is if you like their swords buy them, if you don't like them don't buy them. But you know that the same thing is going to happen to this post that happened to others, they are going to put a lock on it. But you are right about one thing, the fittings on my Eindride failed the magnet test. They must be using that cheap non magnetic bronze.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2018 16:41:21 GMT
Oh yes, those lovely pressed rosewood grips.. Or were they hand carved oak? Of course, skillfully forged and differentially tempered 5160. That and $800 bucks or so will get you the whole shebang with sharpening and other lovely accessories.
Enjoy it, truly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2018 17:04:44 GMT
The bottom line is if you like their swords buy them, if you don't like them don't buy them. But you know that the same thing is going to happen to this post that happened to others, they are going to put a lock on it. But you are right about one thing, the fittings on my Eindride failed the magnet test. They must be using that cheap non magnetic bronze. :) I am convinced by now that you have a relationship of some kind with DSA... i cant imagine another reason why you defend them so hardly. Maybe i do you wrong... i would prefer to do you wrong, honestly. But you "love" DSA so much that it feels suspicious to me. By the way, in 2016 i bought (as some kind of a "last chance" to get it right) a Wolfbane from them; wasnt too impressed. Little twist in the blade, of course not peened (as a matter fact there was 1-2mm of the "screwing" still visible), not very subtle seems on a wood grip you could give nicks with a fingernail. Eventually i sold it to a guy from Belgium (i still try to convince him to post here, but swords have to be registrated in Belgium and he doesnt want the hazzle) who mainly collects highend pieces, but he liked it for wallhanging. Yesterday he contacted me... the sword fell down accidentaly, and the crossguard took a deep scratch... interesting enough: the scratch is greyish silver, but the crossguard is not bend nor broken. My Banzai Dragonsword took a bend during transport, and that one definitively has bronze fittings. Furthermore, the guy is an antiquity dealer and he highly doubts the wood is really oak. So some more stuff to discuss and defend... |
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jan 28, 2018 17:29:29 GMT
The fittings of my 3 DSA swords are all magnetic.
But they are not fantasy designs with obviously casted parts, not even the Two Handed Dane XVIIIe.
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Post by Gunnar Wolfgard on Jan 28, 2018 18:21:24 GMT
Well unless DSA moved to the Adirondacks in upstate New York, no relationship there. I have 39 swords and only 4 are DSA's so it's not like I buy only DSA swords. I know you have had some bad luck with them but I haven't so I have to go by the DSA swords that I have in hand not hearsay. My bad luck brand seems to be Windlass but I'm not going to make it my goal in life to put them out of business. I really have better things to do with my time. For me the Eindride was a no brainer because I love Wolves and this is the ONLY Wolf theme sword I've ever seen except for a couple cheap junk wall hangers on the internet. My Eindride is a work of art. I'm sure if you bought one the Wolves on it would look like bulldogs. And no I'm not going to scratch or break the guard on it to prove to you it's real bronze but I can tell you as a woodworker that the handle is oak. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2018 18:34:15 GMT
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Post by Gunnar Wolfgard on Jan 28, 2018 18:42:29 GMT
Don't put words in my mouth, take a closer look at the Eindride and Wolfbane, they are not even in the same league. Just putting the name Wolf on something and having a Wolf head pommel that you have to look close to see it's a Wolf doesn't do it for me. See there is a DSA sword I don't care for.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2018 19:04:54 GMT
Don't but words in my mouth, take a closer look at the Eindride and Wolfbane, they are not even in the same league. See there is a DSA sword I don't care for. No sir, you typed it and you now stand by that. I cut Holg and Andi a lot of slack as participating in a second language. I have to hope that as English is likely a primary language for you, you might present yourself as clear as a bell. I asked you a question (more than one, actually). The two swords most certainly are in the same league, in a sense. Cost, materials and misrepresentations. Believe me, I have taken time in looking at photos of the two swords and have read most impressions of them here. Neither my cup of tea, nor a company I'll ever give any money. I am not denying anyone their choices. Just as I wouldn't expect many to understand my own choices of period swords, few acting as more than wall hangers. Bronze, yes on two of my medieval reproductions. Now loved by their new owners. Those from Arms&Armor. Blech, yuckies  I only miss them every day. Fantasy? Yup, I have one (there can be only one). |
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Post by coldnapalm on Apr 5, 2018 22:06:59 GMT
Well then I guess that makes it KOA mistake not DSA lie, doesn't it ? Now before we get to the tang, the blade is 2 inched wide at the guard and we can all see that the grip is smaller then the blade so lets not expect a 2 inch wide tang under that grip. So unless the tang is welded to the blade probably nothing to be found there. Hope you like the sword Holg. Im with Gunnar here. I trust KOA. They provide excellent customer service so I'm more than willing to believe that was a mistake on the preown page. Furthermore, while DSA swords are pretty poor quality, that doesn't automatically make them liars. Especially when the product description doesn't seem to contain any lies. If anything their comment about how difficult it was to create the correct pommel shape could be implying they couldn't do it right with steel. Also, new point: If they were cutting corners and lying, would a different type of metal than mild steel save them any real money? Would it really be worth lying to consumers to save like, $5 of materials on a $500 sword? That doesn't make any sense. Yes. Because casting steel to those intricate shapes is more expensive than a zinc alloy or aluminium. It's the labor and equipment you need that they are saving on...not so much the material. |
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Post by elbrittania39 on Apr 5, 2018 22:27:37 GMT
Fair enough. I'm no blacksmith so I was unaware.
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Post by coldnapalm on Apr 5, 2018 22:49:36 GMT
I have four DSA swords, while one was from way back when their swords were selling in the Two hundred + range it was no less quality then a windlass. My last three from them have no problems with quality at all and my Eindride I think is a work of art. Been looking at their Warmonger and expecting nothing less of it. I've noticed that when some companies send out a bad sword then make good on it all is forgiven and forgotten but if it's DSA it's call out the lynching party. We have to hold ALL companies to the same standards for their price range. Okay...so the price range of a DSA is inline with a Del Tin to Albion/A&A/Lockwood/Atrim levels. I don't think I ever heard of things that happens to DSA with those brands...at all. From bad handling, to bad blades, to zinc alloy fitting, to bad handle materials, to pretty much bad EVERYTHING. So...yeah when look at swords of their price, they are flat out bad swords. We need to drop down to windlass or deepka levels before we see all the issues we see in a DSA (and even then it's not as bad). So unless DSA come down in price to those levels...yeah not seeing a real good reason why anyone should get one. Back when they were in that price range...sure some of those deficiencies were warranted at the price point. SOME. The rat tail tang for example is NEVER acceptable on a sword you sell as battle ready. When you are selling stuff at the cost of an Albion...and you have swords that helicopter of death on a small pint water bottle...yeah...you deserve every bit of criticism you get. Seriously, I disliked DSA before they started making actively dangerous swords with rat tail tangs and wood cores made from pulp. I can't believe they got more expensive and make worse quality swords than before. |
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