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Post by LeMal on Oct 1, 2017 17:51:42 GMT
The Windlass Atlantean bare blade isn't extremely heavy, "only" 1125 g. Interesting! Then the ungodly weight is even more situated in the fittings than I suspected. (Argues even more for gilding over wood instead for those fittings.)
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Oct 1, 2017 18:42:56 GMT
Yes, 2/3 of the weight are the heavy guard and pommel (1125 g blade vs. 2100 g guard + pommel). I don't know what material it is, zinc alloy pot metal perhaps, or some kind of brass/bronze. But it's heavy and massive. You'll need some counterweight to the blade in the pommel, but the guard can be made lighter perhaps.
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Post by LeMal on Oct 1, 2017 21:39:09 GMT
Yes, 2/3 of the weight are the heavy guard and pommel (1125 g blade vs. 2100 g guard + pommel). I don't know what material it is, zinc alloy pot metal perhaps, or some kind of brass/bronze. But it's heavy and massive. You'll need some counterweight to the blade in the pommel, but the guard can be made lighter perhaps. Yup, my thoughts exactly, even going back years. Keep the pommel, make wood analogues of the guard. (Which incidentally--basic physics--is not helping and even hurting the balance; the guard sits in FRONT of the hand after all.) Plus with some patience and elbow grease, there's no reason a lot of distal taper couldn't be sanded into that blade and still keep an overall look. That is, IF I had that patience and perseverance. (rofl) (I'd much rather watch someone with it though.)
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Oct 1, 2017 21:42:21 GMT
Now we should have encouraged someone to try this and post it here!
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Post by stormmaster on Oct 1, 2017 22:11:48 GMT
would be expensive as fuk i think, might as well go titanium
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 22:23:42 GMT
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Post by Barnaum on Oct 18, 2017 22:56:01 GMT
Cast aluminum might be the way to go for the guard and pommel.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 10:14:39 GMT
Throughout history, what type of metal was used for "thick" sword guards and pommels to keep the weight down?
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Post by Faldarin on Oct 19, 2017 14:29:23 GMT
Throughout history, what type of metal was used for "thick" sword guards and pommels to keep the weight down? I'm pretty certain they would use more mild steel or irons for guards and pommels - didn't exactly keep the weight down, but I do know that there are plenty of historical examples with hollow pommels. Those would have dropped the weight significantly.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 2:39:09 GMT
Yes. I have been searching for sword guard and pommel makers that could make a hollow version of the Atlantean guard and pommel (as well as tang mods.). No luck so far, but will continue to search. As much interest as there has been, over the years, in reducing the weight of the Atlantean, I am surprised that these modifications have not already been done.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 3:25:06 GMT
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Post by stormmaster on Dec 10, 2017 4:23:25 GMT
its not that bad tbh the windlass one should still function, only issue is the stress that a 7 pound sword would put in that area is more then a regular sword and idk how long it would hold
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 5:17:01 GMT
Yes. I wanted to show that the main difference in an Albion tang and the Windlass tang was at the end where the pommel is. The good thing about the Windlass version is that it as a strong tang where the blade meets the tang. A guy (maybe brotherbanzai?) modified the pommel end of a sword the way the Windlass needs and it looked exactly like the Albion tang. I am trying to find the pics and will post them.
Also, I would like to know if the Albion version uses a tube over the tang or does it have a regular sword grip construction. Never found a vid or pics of an Albion grip de-constructed.
Here is a video of a mega cheap version with rat tail tang, modified to have a true tang and normal grip:
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 5:42:10 GMT
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Dec 10, 2017 6:28:43 GMT
The Windlass has a plug on pommel, plugged on the grip steel tube, no contact to the tang. It wouldn'd be a bad idea to make it some way screwed on this tube but it's oval.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 6:41:55 GMT
With my Windlass Atlantean, I plan to remove the tube and have a normal leather wrapped wood grip with either a screwed on pommel or peened. Or you could go guinea pigging for the greater good and do the mod. first.
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