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Post by stopped1 on Sept 12, 2017 5:50:30 GMT
I know it's not what you asked, but what cheap 38spl/380 are out there? But one for $200 n carry/shoot it for a few months before deciding on what large pistol you want later. When I was in Afrika I have carried 1911 in 9mm, 38sup, 45super (not acp, 45super), 45acp, commander in 45acp, officer clone in 40, 9x23 2011, high power, sub compact 9mm plastic fantasic, 357mag, Astra compact 9mm, m92fs, 22 derringer even a tokarev amd a korean t68 for the hell of it. Guess what I carried 80% of the time? A 2 inch 38 stainless with no mod except sand blasted surface and a lanyard ring (for outdoors stuff involving some climbing and river crossing).
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Post by wstalcup on Sept 12, 2017 16:42:33 GMT
Wow! tons of suggestions! not sure if can even get around to reading mine but here is goes! home defense: Taurus or Smith & Wesson mid frame .357 revolver loaded with .38 special +P Hollow point Why? 1) Taurus makes great reliable revolvers but if you can afford, S&W are the best. would not trust any other brand 2) Revolvers can sit in a drawer for 10 years and still be reliable to fire. yes, modern day pistols are very reliable but good revolvers still have the edge. Also magazine-fed guns can jam, if the revolver misfires, then simply just squeeze the trigger again. 3) yes, .38 special are "marginal" self defense cartridges. .38 +P hollow points increase stopping power to an acceptable level. 4) Additionally, when you get more adept, you could always load with .357 rounds. Hands down, incredible stopping power. In an emergency, the extra 9-11 decibels will actually have your ears ringing a lot longer.. but you are alive. be careful for collateral damage in home defense. rounds can through interior walls hitting your loved ones!
conceal carry: If not too small for you to wield properly: Ruger LC9 with crimson trace laser 1) Ruger excellent reliable manufacturer 2) very compact. The small gun you can always carry is better than the larger gun that wasn't always convenient to carry 3) practice with cheap 9mm ammo, but for carry, use only high quality bonded or hollow points. there might be some nay-sayers but the "Modern" specialized 9mm self defense cartridges are now on par with .45 ACP 4) crimson trace laser. Speed is key, life and death is now measured in tenths of seconds. laser allows you to put round on target at the hip as soon as you unholster from IWB. no need to aim down sights. 5) Crimson trace laser: Part 2. Shot placement is key! putting a 9mm to their heart is better than a .45 to their shoulder. laser gives the fastest and best accuracy BUT....In actuality, the right gun for you is much more complicated than this. I can shoot all my guns from .22 to .44 magnum at an acceptable level except for my 9mm glock. Others are surgical with my glock so its not the gun. I can shoot my 9mm XD and 9mm Kahr with no issues either so its not the cartridge. For me, trigger and grip angle on the glock are no good. Most people its fine though, just depends on the person! people respond differently to various calibers as well. example, for me .40 has a snappy recoil making follow up shots harder for me. .45 even though bigger is more of a slower push which I have no problem with. 9mm is my preferred choice when it comes to rimless rounds due to best control. hope that helps!
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Post by bebut on Sept 13, 2017 1:09:31 GMT
If I were paying for the gun and ammo the only option would be 9mm with as high a capacity as fits in a concealable model, whether that be glock, cz, or whoever. You must be comfortable for round in chamber carry.
The 1911 and 45 acp are dinosaur poop, as romantic as my .44 special. Full size handguns are also dinosaur poop unless for vehicle carry, open carry, office use, or backup in the home to a long gun.
For home get a long gun. order of preference--.223 carbine, semiauto shotgun, pump shotgun.
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Post by Croccifixio on Sept 13, 2017 12:04:40 GMT
Update:
I've found a source for affordable (relatively) HS9s (or XD in the US). The XDM is cheaper than a Glock 19, and I don't have to add anything on it to be able to slap a light. I also got to handle one at the range today and I did better with it in 9mm than my prior experience with a 45. Also, just found out that the only affordable hollowpoint I have access to is 9mm (other affordable cartridges are FMJ).
I'll be paying this weekend and hopefully be able to take it to the range.
Due to this, the 1911 38 Super/.45 HC will likely become the car gun (it's just too affordable to pass up on) while the M16 will stay at home, while the HS9 will be my primary carry.
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Post by dchisenh on Sept 13, 2017 14:12:25 GMT
That sounds like a pretty good setup to me. All the internet debates in the world aren't as useful as a real day spent at the range.
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Post by harrybeck on Sept 13, 2017 14:38:38 GMT
Good choice, you can get a compact version or even a subcompact single stack version for deep concealment.
I really like mine too.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 14:44:53 GMT
Crocc - I applaud you for taking responsibility for your family's safety. It sounds like you will be well armed, trained and have peace of mind. P.S. Of course it goes without saying, but I have known of too many home accidental discharge deaths. Therefore, please be extra vigilant about securing your firearms from children.
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Post by seth on Sept 13, 2017 14:57:23 GMT
The XDs are great guns and will serve you well. I would have a hard time passing up a deal on a HC .45 too--especially if I had access to free ammo
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Post by legacyofthesword on Sept 14, 2017 4:20:54 GMT
All the internet debates in the world aren't as useful as a real day spent at the range. This right here is the final word on the issue. After days of internet searching, I concluded that a metal-frame CZ-75 9mm was my ideal first gun. I went to the range, tried out a pile of pistols, and came home with a polymer-frame Glock 21 .45 ACP.
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Post by Croccifixio on Sept 14, 2017 6:44:52 GMT
Thanks guys. Hope I will never have to use it outside of shooting at the range.
I also got the opportunity to trade one of my katana (it wasn't being used, the poor thing) for a Norinco 1911 .45 AND a Taurus PT-22. Both will be toys that I might have a bit of fun with, but I plan to sell them to some of my office's employees who can't afford an expensive gun.
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Post by harrybeck on Sept 14, 2017 7:05:25 GMT
Wonderfully idea.
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Post by Croccifixio on Sept 16, 2017 7:00:07 GMT
Another update:
I went to the Armscor/RIA warehouse sale and picked up a 1911 Full Sized Tactical Medallion in .45. The deal was too good to pass up (it was basically a $900 gun being sold for $400). So that makes it a sudden turn from 0 firearms to 5 (although I will only be receiving this and the HS2000/9 in around 1-2 months).
I also read a bit more about Norinco 1911 and discovered that while it's a pretty roughly built gun, the steel is really good (better than the 4140 used by Colt and RIA). So now I'm tempted to keep it and maybe have a gunsmith look at it for customization. I plan to use the Medallion and Norinco as range/competition guns apart from their use in the car and at home. What do you guys think? Will the Norinco 1911 be worth the costs or do I just sell and use the money for ammo? Keep in mind, the cheapest Kimber I've seen here was priced at around $4000, and the cheapest Colt around $2000.
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Post by harrybeck on Sept 16, 2017 7:07:46 GMT
The norcs are good guns and I've seen some of the best custom smiths build damn good pistols on those frames.
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Post by Croccifixio on Sept 16, 2017 8:00:30 GMT
The norcs are good guns and I've seen some of the best custom smiths build damn good pistols on those frames. I wish I were in the US so I could access the gunsmiths there. Most gunsmiths in the Philippines are of unknown quality (to what I've read, at least), and most have already been hired by Armscor, MAC, SAM, and the occasional illegal gun factories.
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Post by texarcana on Sept 16, 2017 9:45:01 GMT
I can't really think of a reason to NOT to have a functional 1911, so yeah, I'd hang onto it. Keep in mind you don't need much custom work. Properly stippled grip, deburring and gently polishing the feed ramp.
You can play around with hammers and sights, but that's a luxury for later.
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Post by Croccifixio on Sept 16, 2017 11:52:20 GMT
I can't really think of a reason to NOT to have a functional 1911, so yeah, I'd hang onto it. Keep in mind you don't need much custom work. Properly stippled grip, deburring and gently polishing the feed ramp. You can play around with hammers and sights, but that's a luxury for later. Yeah but I just bought another one (the RIA Tactical Medallion) so maybe I have one too many 1911s? Hehehe
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Post by texarcana on Sept 16, 2017 21:11:45 GMT
I mean, if you can sell one at a profit, or to a friend who needs one, it's a win. The RIA looks like it has target sights and an 8 round mag, so I'd be more inclined to take that one shooting.
There's no harm in figuring out which one you like better, and for all I know, It could be "Both".
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Post by harrybeck on Sept 16, 2017 21:59:20 GMT
Can't have too many.
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Post by Croccifixio on Sept 17, 2017 8:20:47 GMT
Next question would be, VZ or Hogue?
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Post by stopped1 on Sept 18, 2017 3:42:28 GMT
The norcs are good guns and I've seen some of the best custom smiths build damn good pistols on those frames. I have a norinco 1911 with nowlin barrel and slide lightening for buff loads, I did replace the trigger with one with trigger stop, must have put 50k rounds thru it and no major wear. They were one of the few considered robust enough for 45super mod too. Problem is no body wants to be a second hand pimped norinco so once you mod it, its yours to keep
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