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Post by Elrikk on Sept 9, 2017 5:24:42 GMT
Post apocalyptic (SHTF) world, that (sadly) will be a probable occurrence. The Solyent Green solution. Speaking of which, I haven't had dinner yet and am getting hungry. Just to let you know, I'm totally going cannibal, like on day one...even if I'm not hungry...just so no one will screw with me.
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Post by harrybeck on Sept 9, 2017 6:13:27 GMT
I live in Pittsburgh and am from a farm in northern WV, so I can have pretty much what I want.
My current favorite shooter is my FN fns, really outstanding handgun.
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Post by Croccifixio on Sept 9, 2017 7:05:31 GMT
You could get a rifle in a non military caliber What would you recommend for that? I have only done my homework on handguns so far.
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Post by harrybeck on Sept 9, 2017 13:48:07 GMT
Can you possess AR15s in non mil calibers? Are other semiautomatic rifles legal? I'm not familiar with Philippine laws.
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Post by Croccifixio on Sept 9, 2017 14:48:19 GMT
Can you possess AR15s in non mil calibers? Are other semiautomatic rifles legal? I'm not familiar with Philippine laws. Yes to both
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Post by harrybeck on Sept 9, 2017 16:24:45 GMT
then buy a AR in a caliber you can afford to shoot enough to become proficient. they can be had in numerous calibers today. look around locally and see what shooters are buying. is body armor common in your threat group? maybe a pistol caliber carbine in .40 S&W? they are really just extended pistols but the KelTec version will fold and fit into a briefcase. This allows a very low profile carry option. you can get them in configurations to mate with various pistol magazines. i had one to take glock 22 mags and a S&W model 5906 mags as well and got thirty round mags for both.
the 12 or 20 gauge shotgun is also a possible answer depending on the body armor and distance of engagement you foresee.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 17:57:16 GMT
Wow Croc, you live in the Philippines!?! You and your family need to be well armed at all times.
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Post by texarcana on Sept 9, 2017 20:36:34 GMT
Having two pistols in the same caliber makes the most sense to me. 9mm runs about the same as anything else with JHP ammo.
I'm old school in that I like having a manual safety, so I'd rate the Tangfolio series as good buys.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 1:14:02 GMT
For your budget minded choices you mentioned (1911 or Armscor), I recommend the Armscor Mapp MS 9mm. It is a compact version with shorter barrel and 10 round capacity. In 9mm with the pistols low bore axis, you should have faster follow up shots.
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Post by harrybeck on Sept 10, 2017 1:40:22 GMT
For your budget minded choices you mentioned (1911 or Armscor), I recommend the Armscor Mapp MS 9mm. It is a compact version with shorter barrel and 10 round capacity. In 9mm with the pistols low bore axis, you should have faster follow up shots. good advice, i have a compact 1911[officers size] and it shoots well after a couple of small mods.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 2:00:07 GMT
Thanks. I like 1911s and have a few. However, I have found some can be unreliable unless tuned. The only mega reliable 1911 out of the box, I have ever owned is a budget compact Colt called the 1991A1. It came in parkarized black. I bought in new in the late 1990s. I love it. However, it's alot of weight to carry around for only 6+1 rounds.....and cocked and locked still makes me nervous. Haha!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 2:27:04 GMT
Almost forgot.... Harry, maybe you could help Crocc and bless his new gun when he gets it? haha!
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Post by harrybeck on Sept 10, 2017 2:54:55 GMT
Had a coupe of those and liked them. My best from the box have been Springfield. A loaded champion in particular
I can and have blessed firearms for folks.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 3:15:48 GMT
Crocc - besides a concealed carry pistol, I hope your able to acquire another pistol for those home alone and a home shotgun (kept mega safe with kids of course).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 6:14:30 GMT
Searched Philippines online gun store. Shows great selection but most do not have a listed price?!? See link to gun store: www.topspotguns.com/category/guns/Is there a Philippines online gun store that lists all or the majority of the gun prices?
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Post by Croccifixio on Sept 10, 2017 23:53:16 GMT
Thanks Harry. Talked to the head of security in the office and they're going to issue me a full-sized M-16 with some ammo for practice once I fix the paperwork. So it's really down to the handguns. I also have some body armor though it's extremely uncomfortable to wear.
Sadly those Tanfolgios are all out of stock. They're pretty popular here (I imagine because of the price). There's a tricked-out Glock 17L that's being sold in one of our local Facebook groups and I'll see what I can do to grab it up.
Top Spot Guns is a good store and owned by the son of the Armed Forces' Chief of Staff. As you can see, the prices are really different - a Glock is 42,000 pesos, which is around $840. And no, they don't like putting prices on their website because it often varies depending on how much stock is left.
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Post by Croccifixio on Sept 10, 2017 23:56:20 GMT
Having two pistols in the same caliber makes the most sense to me. 9mm runs about the same as anything else with JHP ammo. I'm old school in that I like having a manual safety, so I'd rate the Tangfolio series as good buys. Yeah I'm a manual safety guy too hehe. Don't entirely trust the Glock system. I know someone who got injured because he was used to having the manual safety on, which I am.
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Post by Croccifixio on Sept 11, 2017 0:10:01 GMT
Crocc - besides a concealed carry pistol, I hope your able to acquire another pistol for those home alone and a home shotgun (kept mega safe with kids of course). Yeah. I'm keeping a .45 1911 at home (apart from the rifle I'll bring in my car). Can't be too safe nowadays.
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Post by Richard Arias on Sept 11, 2017 0:18:18 GMT
So, I never really thought to arm myself anytime soon, but the state of my country and certain personal circumstances necessitate that I bite the bullet (pun intended) and grab myself a handgun or two. I was always a gun fan though, and have shot before with an M16 and a .45 ACP Taurus so I somewhat have an idea of what I want. My thoughts are: Handgun 1: Full-sized 1911 base, single-stack large caliber (choices are either 40 S&W, 38 Super, 45 ACP, or 10mm). Right now I'm leaning towards the 38 Super because of the mix between power and control. However, its ammo is the most expensive (least expensive would be the 40 and 10mm) from where I live, so training would definitely be more expensive. Also, I have access to a large supply of free 45 ACP and 40 S&W so those options are much more attractive for marksmanship training. Use would be for home defense, inside a vehicle, inside my office, and in any open/public space. As such, what caliber should I choose? Some additional factors that might have to be taken into consideration: I live in a condominium unit with my wife, two baby girls, and two other women so while there is some security at the lobby, it's not really enough. Also the place isn't big, so maybe there is a risk of over penetration. On the plus side, there are really good places to take cover while reloading. Handgun 2: 9mm for concealed carry. Ideally it would be in a compact Glock-style platform, but the availability of compact guns here isn't all that good, and what's available is often quite expensive which necessitates some saving up. I will most likely save up for a CZ P10c or Glock 19 Gen 4/5 (these guns are almost double the US price) for next year, but in the meantime I will have to resort to other options. These other options are basically a CZ SP01/EAA Witness clone (basically Tanfolgio - the Armscor/RIA MAP1/MAPP) in double stack form (16 mag capacity), or a compact 1911 Colt Commander/Officer-style (with a 4.25 inch/3.5 inch barrel, in single stack form). The reason I need one now is that I often enter places which have strict gun rules, and I plan to ignore those rules to ensure my/my family's safety. So the concealability of the 1911 is probably the most important aspect of it, but the firepower of 16+1 is tempting. Also, I have access to almost an unlimited supply of 9mm (well not really unlimited, but basically the government arsenal) so I can practice practice practice right off the bat. So, which one? Option 3: Combine both into 1 package and just get a single expensive gun. If so, what gun? I am honestly drawn to the 10mm double stack that houses 16+1 but I definitely cannot conceal that. A Glock 17 would need further accessories to perform to the level I want, and good defensive 9mm rounds like hydra shok are really expensive. Glocks in 40 or 45 are relatively rare and not very cheap at all so I wouldn't even be able to afford mods for that. Thanks for the help friends! A lot of the advice your getting isn't wrong or bad. It's just not exactly compete unbiased advice considering a lot of major factors. #1 if a gun is easy for you to carry your going to do it a lot (should be every day) and if it's comfortable you can forgot it's there until needed. -45acp is a big bullet and even my Colt Commander is a big and heavy gun compared to a lot of other options. It's hard to hide from a keen eye and you never forget it's there. Many .40 cal have similar issues. - Look at some Compact and Sub Compact Options. 9mm is likely to be the biggest caliber (but with modern performance ammo this isn't an issue for people who know defensive shooting) - A five shot hammerless revolvers are good options. Being able to shoot a .38 or .357 gives you choices at price and power. In close engagement an automatic can fail in odd unexpected ways (being in a pocket, tangled in a shirt, or against the body to much). Bottom line if the slide does not cycle you have a dead gun until it does. And revolves can be instinctive and reliable for new shooters at the cost of capacity. #2 Caliber will almost never matter as much as accuracy (shot placement). You could have a .500 Smith and if you can't hit what your aiming at it won't matter. I have to many students shooting big bore when they are much more accurate and consistent with a .38 of 9mm. -9mm is a solid option there is a reason is a standard caliber for many branches of police and military. Modern ammo have dealt with size ( 9mm hallow point has plenty of diameter.) And power is also no longer an issue with +P and +P+ ammo that has similar power and ballistic performance to a .357 Magnum. #3 Cost and Practice for skills..... 9mm is cheap as is .38 special. All of the big bore and specialty rounds like .38 super or .357 Sig are more expensive. What matters is no matter the gun you have to train to be accurate, consistent and reliable with it in a variety of scenario. And if your going to carry that is once a week to the range (twice a month bare minimum). Overall: You have to get to a range or gun shop and get your hands on guns and see what feels good. What do you like, what do you shoot well, and what is the cost to develop and keep your skill set? Buying a gun is like a car, it's going to be with you every day and your either going to love it of you made a bad buy or hate it and be learning a lesson for your next buy if you don't. I have taught a few people in your situation and after a few classes and experience the gun they buy is often not the gun they had in mind because Carry Comfort, Ammo Cost and their performance with the gun often points them in a new direction.
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Post by Croccifixio on Sept 11, 2017 0:43:04 GMT
Thanks for this Richard. One limiting factor I have is ammo - I have no idea what the reputation of Armscor ammunition is, but I've read from some that it's a little cheap. It is, however, then only ammo affordable in great quantities here. A box of 50 Federal Hydrashok is around $60 and that's pretty bad. Although I suppose I could practice with Armscor first then just carry the Federal.
Also, 38 Super is just as expensive as 45 ACP so it can still work. But I'll go try out 9mm as you said. Only ever shot 45 and I might like 9 better.
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