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Post by rammstein on Jun 26, 2008 3:23:46 GMT
Alright we'll have to agree at that then  edit: No bloodwraith, I don't agree with you, you just posted same time as meee blarghle. Well I'm an immature child? Well at least I'm not a scrawny elf like j0000 ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2008 3:27:07 GMT
Woohoo I am an elf with mad skilz!  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2008 9:22:44 GMT
For double blades swords, this idea sounds cool but it just doesn't work in reality for one specific reason - PoBs. A swords cutting efficiency is directly related to the point of balance. If the point of balance is a high number like 8 inches, then the sword will be a monsterous cutter (ignoring blade geometry and other variables). If it's close at about 2 inches, the sword's cutting ability will be lessed greatly. With a double bladed sword, the point of balance will be a NEGATIVE number, sitting squarly in the hilt. This means that the sword will cutt with the efficiency of a wiffle bat, flying off of objects because the blade has no mass behind it. Superbly explained! +1 for that, Ram |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2008 11:21:20 GMT
For double blades swords, this idea sounds cool but it just doesn't work in reality for one specific reason - PoBs. A swords cutting efficiency is directly related to the point of balance. If the point of balance is a high number like 8 inches, then the sword will be a monsterous cutter (ignoring blade geometry and other variables). If it's close at about 2 inches, the sword's cutting ability will be lessed greatly. With a double bladed sword, the point of balance will be a NEGATIVE number, sitting squarly in the hilt. This means that the sword will cutt with the efficiency of a wiffle bat, flying off of objects because the blade has no mass behind it. Superbly explained! +1 for that, Ram The problem with this explanation is that when applied to longer weapons it implies that one can't hit hard with a staff, however, anyone who's used one can testify to the ability of a properly wielded staff to hit with force. Many two handed swords have closer POBs than single handed swords and they still seem to cut well... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2008 13:00:09 GMT
Re: Ramm/Wraith interaction:
Umm, disagree to agree? ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2008 13:04:43 GMT
Swordboy: I won't have a chance to post spear photos, but here's a link to a place where you can get one: www.martialartsmart.net/45-053.htmlThese are for demos only - it's near impossible to find actual combat-grade CMA weapons.  You readin' this Garretc? |
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Post by rammstein on Jun 26, 2008 14:20:27 GMT
That's because on a staff you've got two different and spread out grips usually on your weapon. Imagine holding your hands at the center with no space between them. I'd argue that, while you might still be able to hit hard, it's only a fraction of what you would accomplish if you could have a more spread out grip, which can't be accomplished on a sword. And secondly - swords aren't staffs - they're swords. And I've not once heard of a cutting sword with a negative PoB. Remember, the cut like a knife not bash like a club.
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Post by Erick R. on Jun 26, 2008 16:35:34 GMT
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Post by rammstein on Jun 26, 2008 17:04:35 GMT
AT's LPM swords do not have negative PoBs, the simply have low PoBs.
The only sword with a negative PoB I can think of is a fencing foil. And that's not a sword, nor remotely distant cousins to one.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2008 17:26:05 GMT
Actually as someone who has cut with a two ended sword in my past I can say that the balance has nothing to do with it. The Slicing motion is the key and if a chopping action is needed then using one hand centered on the grip and letting the weight of rear blade lever against a great amout of force can be applied. The reason I will not try one again or recommend anyone else do so is the inherrent risk. Even for a flexible person it is incredibly difficult to keep the rear blade away from the body unless perfoming nothing more than a single action cut by twisting around your own middle. A longer handle between helps but there is no advantage to gain with two blades. Its only slightly more dagnerous for your target and immensly more for you.
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Post by Erick R. on Jun 27, 2008 15:53:13 GMT
Well, as far as I remember, ( and I confirmed it with someone that was told this by Mr. Trim ) the POB is behind the guard.. meaning in the hilt. So unless you have another meaning for negative pob...
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Post by rammstein on Jun 27, 2008 15:58:12 GMT
I'd like to hear that for myself.
But I'd have to say, the LPM swords would not cut as well as they would if they have a higher PoB. I'm sure they'd be lively, but cutting power is no mentioned.
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Post by Erick R. on Jun 27, 2008 17:31:55 GMT
I'd like to hear that for myself. But I'd have to say, the LPM swords would not cut as well as they would if they have a higher PoB. I'm sure they'd be lively, but cutting power is no mentioned. Yeah, I would like to get my hands on one someday to see how they handle and cut. I seem to recall someone comparing an LPM to how they thought a light saber would feel. lol |
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Post by rammstein on Jun 27, 2008 19:48:24 GMT
I'm not doubting you at all, I've heard AT working miracles before.
But I agree on the lightsaber feel considering the blades on each have no weight ;D!
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Post by swordboy bringer of chaos on Jun 28, 2008 3:46:39 GMT
look we all agree double bladed swords are a very bad idea due to the blade that swings in you direction what about a double bladed spear with a cuting surface of no more than twelve to fifteen inches on each side
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2008 8:46:02 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2008 1:33:16 GMT
I'd love to get something like an escrima stick, just add two 5-inch blades to the end.
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