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Post by Zen_Hydra on Dec 6, 2017 4:24:31 GMT
Sword-chucks are pretty stupid
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Post by Timo Nieminen on Dec 6, 2017 9:31:56 GMT
Rocket swords:
Same thing, but a longer clip:
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Post by christain on Dec 6, 2017 18:33:48 GMT
Aaaaalllll-righty then.....That's a new one on me. Holy crap!
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Post by legacyofthesword on Dec 7, 2017 6:24:34 GMT
Sword-chucks are pretty stupid Sickle-chucks are even stupider. Presenting, the Okinawan kusari-gama: Of course, it's possible that you don't even swing the sickles at all, but instead use the chain between the two to block and choke (using the weapon like a flexible polearm instead of a sharp nunchaku).
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Dec 7, 2017 13:07:47 GMT
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Dec 7, 2017 14:42:29 GMT
Sword-chucks are pretty stupid Sickle-chucks are even stupider. Presenting, the Okinawan kusari-gama: Of course, it's possible that you don't even swing the sickles at all, but instead use the chain between the two to block and choke (using the weapon like a flexible polearm instead of a sharp nunchaku). Given that dual kama are a pretty staple part of Okinawan kobudo, I imagine a set with a chain between them would be used more like a pair of kama rather than a full blown polearm, with the chain used to block, bind, and manipulate the enemy's weapon while the blades themselves are the main focus; it probably wouldn't be too different than just combining the kama and surujin, another Okinawan kobudo weapon that's used in just such a fashion. That said, the image above is an anime invention; an actual kusarigama only has a single sickle and its other end has an iron weight. Typically (to my knowledge), the iron weight and the chain was the actual weapon, used as a thrown weapon to strike at the enemy from a distance, bind their weapon, and ideally disarming them before using the kama for the finishing blow. In that respect, it probably wouldn't be any different if the bladed weapon were a tanto or something.
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Post by legacyofthesword on Dec 7, 2017 17:22:28 GMT
Given that dual kama are a pretty staple part of Okinawan kobudo, I imagine a set with a chain between them would be used more like a pair of kama rather than a full blown polearm, with the chain used to block, bind, and manipulate the enemy's weapon while the blades themselves are the main focus; it probably wouldn't be too different than just combining the kama and surujin, another Okinawan kobudo weapon that's used in just such a fashion. That said, the image above is an anime invention; an actual kusarigama only has a single sickle and its other end has an iron weight. Typically (to my knowledge), the iron weight and the chain was the actual weapon, used as a thrown weapon to strike at the enemy from a distance, bind their weapon, and ideally disarming them before using the kama for the finishing blow. In that respect, it probably wouldn't be any different if the bladed weapon were a tanto or something. Yeah, I couldn't find a real dual kama kusari weapon, so I just used that picture. Kusarigama with two sickles do exist though, and are used in Okinawan martial arts. books.google.com/books?id=I-2SDgAAQBAJ&pg=PA129&lpg=PA129&dq=okinawan+kusarigama&source=bl&ots=bn6POxIYFR&sig=ki15K6iSS-spAmWqS_q6LCdsSSY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi_s86mrvjXAhVS42MKHRNmAMwQ6AEIWzAL#v=onepage&q=okinawan%20kusarigama&f=falseA typical kusarigama with only one sickle and a weight one the end of the chain is a very effective weapon (which came as a bit of a surprise to me when I first used it in sparring).
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christain
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Post by christain on Dec 7, 2017 20:22:43 GMT
Here's one just about as 'self-dangerous'. RitterSteel Authentics spiked flail. I've swung it ONE TIME...and that'll be the LAST TIME.
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Post by howler on Dec 7, 2017 23:20:24 GMT
Hydrogen in Zeppelins.
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Post by zabazagobo on Dec 8, 2017 8:31:22 GMT
Here's one just about as 'self-dangerous'. RitterSteel Authentics spiked flail. I've swung it ONE TIME...and that'll be the LAST TIME. I second this. I've never been a flail enthusiast. Especially when you have 2-3 of those balls flying around. Heck, I suck with a kendama, what luck do I have with something like this?
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Post by christain on Dec 8, 2017 9:48:26 GMT
You don't need luck, just lots and lots of armor and padding...or a guardian angel guiding that 5 pound spiked ball! Seriously...I swung it ONE TIME...over my head, and into a pile of firewood. The thing buried up in a big piece of dry oak wood and required a pry bar to get loose. I can just imagine that in someone's head...someone like ME. After seeing that, it stays on the shelf.
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Post by RaylonTheDemented on Dec 8, 2017 13:22:33 GMT
You don't need luck, just lots and lots of armor and padding...or a guardian angel guiding that 5 pound spiked ball! Seriously...I swung it ONE TIME...over my head, and into a pile of firewood. The thing buried up in a big piece of dry oak wood and required a pry bar to get loose. I can just imagine that in someone's head...someone like ME. After seeing that, it stays on the shelf. I just watched some warhammer videos crushing stuff... 2.5 pounds warhammers. At 5 pounds, I can picture the spiked ball crushing/puncturing a helm easily. That's likely the whole point of the thing: Crushing and puncturing armor [shudder], wouldn't use it either.
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Post by christain on Dec 8, 2017 13:29:07 GMT
I have doubts if even the BEST armor would stop it. It would get ya by inertia alone, much less any spike penetration. If you're knocked on your butt and on the ground...game over.
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Post by legacyofthesword on Dec 12, 2017 3:02:30 GMT
This seems a bit... ludicrous. Presenting, an anti-tank gun from WWI:
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Post by harrybeck on Dec 12, 2017 6:12:12 GMT
Not at all, they were effective against armored vehicles of the time. They were a also used as sniper weapons later. And not just antimateriel sniping either.
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Post by howler on Dec 12, 2017 6:53:38 GMT
Not at all, they were effective against armored vehicles of the time. They were a also used as sniper weapons later. And not just antimateriel sniping either. Not many vehicles of the time would survive that rifle. Wonder how it compares to some of todays sniper rifles?
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Post by harrybeck on Dec 12, 2017 14:59:33 GMT
Very similar in basic performance, the US version, the Boys antitank rifle, was .55 caliber. Just needed some match grade ammunition.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 21:46:36 GMT
Gerald Bull, assassinated in 1990 had spent a lifetime developing superguns, one still being built in Iraq before Desert Storm. Theoretical and practical models as early as the 1960s with an intent to launch as far as space from a supergun.
Anyway, back to the stupidest, or perhaps the most expedient was Bull's comments during the Israeli six day war that those lacking enough howitzers could improvise by making ballista using truck springs, launching shells as far as 200-400 yards. IIRC, a magazine or newspaper article. 50 years ago, so the source a bit fuzzy in my mind but probably Time or Life magazine, summer 1967. Gerald Bull though, someone I had followed after 1967 up to his being shot in Belgium. A super and simple artillery engineer.
The Third Reich had developed some "stupid superguns" as well.
Another absolutely stupid was dropping incendiary bats.
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Post by legacyofthesword on Dec 14, 2017 0:49:56 GMT
Not at all, they were effective against armored vehicles of the time. They were a also used as sniper weapons later. And not just antimateriel sniping either. Yeah, I wasn't sure about applying the term "stupid" to the gun... after all, they did work. It's just that something of that size and power, getting fired by a hand instead of being used from a carriage of some kind, seemed rather... over-the-top? Apparently these things would often break collarbones and dislocate shoulders when fired.
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Post by harrybeck on Dec 14, 2017 1:48:15 GMT
i've fired one, it is very distracting to say the least. a very solid grip is necessary!
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