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Post by Ifrit on Jul 26, 2017 0:04:25 GMT
I'm going to be moving towns soon and the two sword arts available are kendo and iaido. There is also a hema club I wanna go spare with when they get together, but I would also like additional training.
For 1 on 1 combat, which is better? Kendo or Iaido. What are the advantages to each?
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Post by stopped1 on Jul 26, 2017 1:33:33 GMT
I do both. Despite being a dan higher iai and the fact that I like iaido better, kendo is better for combat. Iaido is like cowboy quick draw, gets you in action quickly but doesn't teach you beyond the first cuts. It is good for self defense if you were on an edo era street and they try to jump you. Modern kendo is pretty much a point base sport but there is sparring so you know how it feels like when someone is charging at you and how it like when you miss. More importantly, training can be harsh and this toughens you up from the inside. Good fighting spirit is more important than just techniques.
Go kendo!
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Post by Ifrit on Jul 26, 2017 1:35:45 GMT
Thanks man! Maybe I will go with kendo. I had prior experience in it, but it wasn't a lot. Kendo seems like it would help me get practice with 1 on 1 better.
Good thing about the iaido is it has drop in rates. Maybe I'll be able to do both
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Post by stopped1 on Jul 26, 2017 1:45:41 GMT
Is the iaido dojo ZNKR iaido? You don't need affiliate fees if you already do kendo, some dojos even allows casual class fees only. Kendo techniques footwork helps iaido training till you pass sho dan but afterwards it starts to interfere as you try to prefect the smaller details.
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Post by Ifrit on Jul 26, 2017 2:07:31 GMT
You just reminded me that the kendo club I wanna join has iaido in it as a side class already. Just got reminded when I looked it up
I don't think they are affiliated with that particular organization but I could be wrong.
The iaido is an offshoot of Ka Muso Kai tho
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Post by Google on Jul 26, 2017 10:37:37 GMT
they are complimentary and should be studied together.
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Post by Cosmoline on Jul 26, 2017 16:41:47 GMT
Kendo will provide a great foundation in timing, measure, footwork and fast striking. I've seen folks from that background do very well in longsword competitions at least at the lower tiers. Once the swords bind and you start flowing into wrestling it has less applicability. But I've never heard anyone say kendo is *bad* for you. Iaido is beautiful, but I've never quite understood how it works without an actual opponent.
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Post by Ifrit on Jul 26, 2017 22:08:51 GMT
Kendo will provide a great foundation in timing, measure, footwork and fast striking. I've seen folks from that background do very well in longsword competitions at least at the lower tiers. Once the swords bind and you start flowing into wrestling it has less applicability. But I've never heard anyone say kendo is *bad* for you. Iaido is beautiful, but I've never quite understood how it works without an actual opponent. Thank you. This makes a lot of sense. Kendo it is, if I have to choose between them. Would rather work on being able to overcome an opponent
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 22:20:53 GMT
When you get there, see if you can check out a class at each place, put all the prejudices and assumptions on hold to the best of your ability and just try to experience what these places offer. All the opinions on the internet aren't as important as whether you think it will be a good fit and if actually being there feels right to you.
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Post by stopped1 on Jul 26, 2017 23:04:41 GMT
Iaido is beautiful, but I've never quite understood how it works without an actual opponent. Because it doesn't work when practiced on its own. Iaijitsu was just part of many things a warrior had to learn. I may offen my fellow iaidokas, It Is great as a modern art form but there are better things to learn if you wanna duel. Not that it matters in this day and age, in many parts of the world you get into less trouble carrying a pistol instead of a sword. I have been doing iai for almost 10 years but still don't unstand why the first katas (even ko ryu schools) are sitting with a katana. Back in the days, one would have handed in the katana and carried the wakizashi only when going indoor in most occasions..... Practice what you like, and be happy. We no longer chop off commoners heads when they insult us, and wait, we are the commoners. Have fun
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Post by jammer on Jul 27, 2017 19:41:03 GMT
Is the iaido dojo ZNKR iaido? You don't need affiliate fees if you already do kendo, some dojos even allows casual class fees only. Kendo techniques footwork helps iaido training till you pass sho dan but afterwards it starts to interfere as you try to prefect the smaller details. I would ask the same, ZNKR iaido has been designed to accompany kendo, so these are most definitely symbiotic. Some iai is koryu and should be studied paralell to, or without even ever studying, kendo.
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Post by Ifrit on Jul 27, 2017 21:41:14 GMT
I guess the iaido class held in partnership with the kendo place is an entirely different class. Definitely not made to accompany the kendo.
The HEMA club isn't free either I guess. Not surprising. Chances are I will take all 3 if I can. I need some sparring partners, and these are all great places to meet them
Thanks for the advice guys
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Post by Cosmoline on Jul 27, 2017 22:05:30 GMT
Which HEMA club is it? I may know of them.
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Post by Ifrit on Jul 27, 2017 22:17:51 GMT
HistoricalFencers.
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Post by Cosmoline on Jul 27, 2017 23:04:10 GMT
Huh. Usually they say _____ historical fencers or some other variation.
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Post by Ifrit on Jul 27, 2017 23:10:02 GMT
Saskatoon HistoricalFencers. I guess I should have added that. I have a habit of anonymity when on the internet
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Post by stopped1 on Jul 27, 2017 23:12:13 GMT
I think what Jammer (and I) are trying to say is, within the context of znkr, all 3 arts cover different parts of stuff required to be a swordsman in the same way different subjects for a diploma. Kendo teaches you to fight and spar, iaido teachs you how to use a katana and to draw, jodo teaches you how to defeat a sword with a staff. Just like math, science and art, not everyone wants to do all three. Znkr iaido stance are therefore very squared forward like kendo (subtlety different, get confusing once you reach sho dan). I was hold way back they had to get 1st dan in iai before they could grade 6 (or is it 7/8) dan in kendo. That was when kendo was full contact (throwing on the ground, hitting shin and chest and pinning the guy down and ripping the men off were all legal points).
Doesn't matter now, we all have day jobs, try them out and pick what you like. I know I should do all three but I like to have time to do custom sword built too.
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Post by slav on Jul 28, 2017 2:00:21 GMT
Kendo is more applicable as a self defense art because it's a dynamic contact sport. Although it is non-traditional in nature, it puts you in physical combat and keeps your spatial sense and reactions keen. It's also a heck of a workout! IMO it is more translatable to improvised stick fighting on the street.
Iaido is better if you're more interested in replicating historical fighting styles using live blades and/or want to get into proper tameshigiri. You also get to wear more traditional garb and dress up like a Samurai. But it is much less sparring-oriented.
It just depends what you are trying to accomplish. A lot of people do both. It is also worth noting that if you get serious about Kendo and start testing for your kyu and dan ranks, you will have to learn some traditional kata which are closer to Iaido forms.
I also say go Kendo!
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Post by Ifrit on Jul 28, 2017 2:09:18 GMT
Thanks guys! So this is what I gathered: For a beginner, do Kendo first, but polish it up with Iaito when much more experienced?
I will definitely do both if I can afford it or make time for it. But if I find time and money tight, Kendo it is
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Post by slav on Jul 28, 2017 2:14:18 GMT
^pretty much
PS, you're from Saskatoon? I was born there.
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