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Post by admin on Jul 14, 2017 5:38:20 GMT
 ORIGINAL SPECS AND DESCRIPTION (Designers initial notes and description):
Longsword of Danu. Typical long sword dimensions for this one. I combined moon motifs to pay ode to the Celtic Goddess Danu, and a leaf blade, which celts were known for, though not in longsword dimensions. Story: The Tuatha De Danann came to ireland in clouds in the sky some say. Others say they burned their boats on the shore when they arrived. They were the people of the Moon Goddess Danu, who led them to lands of enlightenment which was said to give them god like powers. Possessing technology that surpassed the locals, they crafted swords of superior build, with a pommel that was a homage to their guiding Goddess, Danu. The sword that their King, Nuada, possessed would glow in his hands when he pulled it from the scabbard. Their reign over Ireland continued for many years INITIAL THOUGHTS: The leafblade shape and overall design tends to suit a short sword better than a longsword in my opinion. Blade length of 22" with longer handle perhaps for one or two handed use? TECHNICAL QUESTIONS UNANSWERED:Having a little trouble with the scale on this one and not sure of the best stats. Grip should be hand and a half length? Need to figure out the stats. May also need to explore the complex guard from some other angles. Handle should be cord wrapped leather in dark green? Fittings should be steel or brass? (thinking an all steel look might be best). Scabbard - any extra details on the scabbard? Perhaps a crescent moon motif somewhere? What color should it be?
BACKGROUND STORY EXPANSION:If a shortsword, perhaps these swords could have been made in ancient times by the the Tuath De when they warred against the early Empire and was also made by Unobtanium and further enchanted by Drudic magic to something like a +3 blade with an additional Druidic power or two. Or perhaps this sword is a one off enchanted Tuath De blade owned by a powerful chieftan and waiting to be discovered in his burial mound. Though as the chieftain still holds it in his undead hands, anyone seeking it might end up getting much closer to the pointy end than they had initially had in mind.. |
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Post by Ifrit on Jul 14, 2017 6:14:25 GMT
A short sword sounds good to me  The specs you have measured out, with the 22" blade, sounds awesome! Maybe with a hand and a half grip, for more power if needed? But if you guys prefer the look as just a short sword, then so do I. I will draw up various angles on the guard to the best of my ability. I agree that steel with a green wrap would look best. Cord wrap underneath is preferred, but not necessary if your looking to stay within a budget. The scabbard I can draw up as well. I recently got new art books, so I can do various detailed drawings if need be on a nice paper, complete with dimensional shadings. Would you prefer a fancy scabbard? Something more simple and affordable? I can go from Windlass to Valiant Amoury level, depending on the budget you want to stay in. Would you like a belt system? You know, you are spot on in the background idea I had. An ancient sword, from a possibly ancient and hiding or extinct race. Or maybe they forgot their past technology. Would be neat if the one to find the sword was only partially of their blood, so that he has ties, but lacks the same strength in magic they had. What do you think? |
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Post by Ifrit on Jul 14, 2017 6:15:20 GMT
But if you prefer me to just draw up a scabbard I can do that too
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How would you feel about a 25" blade or a 24" blade? Or is that a bit too long? If so, I am fine with 22"
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Post by Ifrit on Jul 14, 2017 6:59:17 GMT
 This is the front and side view. For some reason it came out sideways... Anyway, the circle with the dot in the middle represents the point in which the guard is sharpened to. But if this feels like a hazard, I can make it out to be more flat. Likewise, if the pommel is too flat, I can adjust it to be more pointy I changed the grip to a one handed design to fit the suggestions. I figure a slightly more narrow area near the pommel might make it easier for the pinky to aid in a more secure grip, and it is just more aesthetically pleasing to me. But it can be adjusted. This grip is 4" in length |
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Post by Ifrit on Jul 14, 2017 7:17:24 GMT
 This is the top view of the guard, without the blade in it. The tear drop looking things are the curved spikes. The other drawing is a top view, but tilted over just slightly. My attempt to add dimension to the design. It kind of came out a bit wonky, but I know your smiths can do a much better job than my drawings can represent. I typed here what I wrote, not because I doubt your ability to read, but because my spelling is ugly as sin |
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Post by Ifrit on Jul 14, 2017 7:54:51 GMT
 Excuse how long the handle is on this one. I should have either made the scabbard longer or shortened the handle. I just realized the error now. Anyway, I decided to opt for a viking style sheath. Economical and in my opinion, purdy. with either a 22" or 25" blade, I can see this being quite comfy to wear The central ridge should be on both sides, for symmetry, but you can just do the stitching in front and leave the back smooth as well. The scabbard is slightly on the bulky side, due to the wide swell in the blade needing to move all the way through it. The entrance has a slight cut away, and would reveal a bit of a ricasso, but this should ensure that the spikes can make it all the way to where they should normally sit, without snag. Plus I just dig the look. However, if you do not, I am more than happy to remake this to another sort of specification, such as interlocking harness, chances in aesthetic, or even just correct the handle length just to get a better look at it |
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Post by Lukas MG (chenessfan) on Jul 14, 2017 9:11:02 GMT
Please don't put a hand-and-a-half length grip on a 22" or 25" blade. Functionally (and proportionally), that's a disaster. Stick with a regular single-hand grip length of 3.5-4".
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Post by Ifrit on Jul 14, 2017 10:00:25 GMT
Don't worry. My picture with the scabbard is just drawn badly. I been meaning to correct it and upload it, but SBG is giving my some problems with loading pages and such. Might be my internet connection as well. This town gets heavily affected by weather, and a storm is a coming.
The grip 3 pictures up is intended as the more proportionate picture. It only has a slimmer spot towards the pommel for the ring finger to have a better grip. I guess I should state what size it is
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Post by Ifrit on Jul 14, 2017 11:58:17 GMT
 Improved drawing for the sword in its scabbard. Description is the same, I just shortened the sword handle and did some shading Scabbard should be green. The chape steel. I was originally intending a steel throat, but that might be hard to do right? With the ricasso length split down the side. If so, feel free to make it a leather pattern throat. Also, I am not sure why I drew the scabbard wider near the base. That wasn't intended. I could pretty it up more, but for now, I kept it simple until further notice |
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Post by admin on Jul 14, 2017 12:08:51 GMT
Those extra pics make all the difference and almost make the design start to feel tangible..
Good work, and no - the longer grip was just a passing thought. Unlimately it might be a good idea to add in a gridded background to the design and measure it all out to get the specs. I don't think it was badly drawn - maybe it did not turn out exacttly as you first envisioned, but it was a bit of serendpity because as a shortsword it works well..
How about we measure out what the grip would be to be comfortable in the hand, and use that for scale to determine how long the blade should be?
Otherwise, looking good!!
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Post by Ifrit on Jul 14, 2017 12:19:58 GMT
You know, a 22" blade with a 3.5" grip (1.5" pommel) would be a mighty fine short sword. a 25" blade might be a bit awkward, if its a leaf blade. I have never actually held a leaf blade before, so I will take your word on it
i dont have any grid paper. But I could draw the sword with these measurements and use a relative measurement of sorts to try get it as accurate as possible if you want
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Post by Ifrit on Jul 14, 2017 13:20:30 GMT
 All the measurements are written. I will type them up so they are readable tomorrow. It is 7:22AM lol. I am so tired. Imagine the tip continuing on, as the paper ran out as I did a poor job of space management. But I added a little hand there to give the rough estimate of a 3" wide hand using a handshake grip to show scale for the grip itself. The blade could probably extend to 24" and be comfy. I used some math, measuring and tons of thinking for this picture to be correctly sized in reference to itself. I think. I am too tired for today haha. There isn't any grid paper in my town so I am attempting to see if I can make something thats acceptable Also, crossguard should say 2" high, not 1" long. I am dumb in my zombie state I would prefer something longer than sting, but I will take anything tbh. I am just happy to be part of this project |
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Post by Ifrit on Jul 14, 2017 13:31:44 GMT
Not trynna sound ungrateful, as I'm very grateful. I just mean in regards to the design itself. But it's actually pretty cool to think of it as an even gladius the more I think of it
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Post by dchisenh on Jul 14, 2017 14:34:20 GMT
Well, the short sword incarnation of this design looks good, but personally I was hoping for a functional, fantasy leaf-bladed longsword...they're not easy to find nowadays, beyond heavy and unbalanced DSA offerings. I'll likely pass on the shorter version, just FYI.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 21:07:36 GMT
All the measurements are written. I will type them up so they are readable tomorrow. It is 7:22AM lol. I am so tired. Imagine the tip continuing on, as the paper ran out as I did a poor job of space management. But I added a little hand there to give the rough estimate of a 3" wide hand using a handshake grip to show scale for the grip itself. The blade could probably extend to 24" and be comfy. I used some math, measuring and tons of thinking for this picture to be correctly sized in reference to itself. I think. I am too tired for today haha. There isn't any grid paper in my town so I am attempting to see if I can make something thats acceptable Also, crossguard should say 2" high, not 1" long. I am dumb in my zombie state I would prefer something longer than sting, but I will take anything tbh. I am just happy to be part of this project |
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Post by Ifrit on Jul 14, 2017 21:08:31 GMT
Well, the short sword incarnation of this design looks good, but personally I was hoping for a functional, fantasy leaf-bladed longsword...they're not easy to find nowadays, beyond heavy and unbalanced DSA offerings. I'll likely pass on the shorter version, just FYI. Thats what my original plan was, to make a functional two handed leaf blade, for raw cutting power, since they aren't too common on the market. I am not sure how to tweak this design for two handed use though. I have never even held a leaf blade before. Closest thing I got is a kukri machete I am fine with what ever the forge prefers though. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 21:13:01 GMT
Hey I saw the sword that you just draw and I think it's really nice looking I draw to but not that great with sword.
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Post by Ifrit on Jul 14, 2017 21:45:23 GMT
Whys that? Any constructive criticism is welcome
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jul 14, 2017 21:49:47 GMT
I think he said he'd like to draw as well as you.
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Post by Ifrit on Jul 14, 2017 22:09:56 GMT
Oops. I thought he meant it wouldn't be a good sword haha. My mistake. Thank you very much for the compliment good sir. When you have as much idle time as I do, it's hard to find many good ways to make it pass than by drawing |
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The specs you have measured out, with the 22" blade, sounds awesome! Maybe with a hand and a half grip, for more power if needed? But if you guys prefer the look as just a short sword, then so do I.
