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Post by Ramses1079 on Jun 28, 2017 21:14:00 GMT
Off course, pish posh! I thought we were talking cqc weapons? That was why I mentioned the gladius. I also "prefer" longswords myself (being 6'1 their more comfortable for me to use). Aaaand please don't mention messers, I had a chance to get a custom messer made by an actual German smith (Stefan Roth) but had to get front & rear brakes done on the family car 😭
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Post by Ramses1079 on Jun 28, 2017 21:16:07 GMT
The gladius was used in conjunction with a shield and with a line of other soldiers armed the same way. They also used a certain kind of spear but supposedly it was thrown at the enemy in the initial assault. It's very hard to take a single weapon out of context and make it an all-purpose weapon. Normally I NEVER would mention the gladius as a single weapon, but I thought we were talking close quarters weapons.....that's where my train of thought derailed......
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 1:00:18 GMT
Faldarin - Yes, If I had a choice of weapon, against a bear, I would choose my HK 91, semi auto rifle, in .308 with a 20 round magazines. You, sir, are a man of wealth and taste - as I originally thought. Ahem! But on the point of the original question - I still haven't stumbled across any production pieces that are near what you want, even after looking for a bit. There might not be a lot of custom people who would be able to temper a blade of that size and thickness all that well either. I still second the discussion of Lonely Wolf Forge - I'm unsure too many of the smaller custom makers would be able to, you might have to go higher end. Wow, your are as wise as they say, in fire lit taverns across the Highlands.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 1:40:53 GMT
If you had no firearm or ran out of ammo and were hiking or biking a trail, or in a tent/RV or on the side of a remote highway with auto failure, and you are confronted with an attacking wild beast or a psycho, what kind of sword would you want, to defend yourself and family? I know what I would want. I want a razor sharp "crowbar" of a sword! Haha! A sword constructed of a single slab of thick spring steel with the blade, guard, and handle being one solid piece. The 2 handed handle would have at most some kind of cord wrap . The blade would be 36 inches (91.44 cm) long, thick, wide, double edged, with a fuller. Blade width would serve as hand guard. It would be double edged because two (2) blades are better than one (1) in the Badlands. I want it razor sharp because I may only get one chance at a thrust or swing. I want it long because it may be a bear or a real life huge psycho like Michael Myers from Halloween. The sword would be rust resistant coated. It would look like a "tactical" Viking sword. Assuming the bear or mountain lion or psycho, is not trained and armed with a sword, I want a long, heavy and sharp blade for thrusting and slashing.hehe! Scabbard would be made of some kind of nylon. It would be the kind of sword that you could strap on your back or put in the trunk and forget it until you need it. No need to worry about constant care as it would be as tuff as a sharpened crowbar or tire lug nut wrench. I can not find such a sword. I see many nice yet short and or narrow and or thin tactical swords, but nothing as I described. Does anyone know of a cost effect source for a "tactical" Viking sword? If not, I will submit a design to a forge. Thanks. You want to buy my Ronin Viking sword Blade? My hands are too big and it chafes my wrist 😕 Thanks for the kind offer. I like that blade alot. But I do not prefer one hand swords. Hand and a half or more please.
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Post by Ramses1079 on Jun 29, 2017 2:36:22 GMT
Hmmm I have the blackened version of the Cold Steel Longsword, but I'm sadly lacking in two-handed, Greatsword, or even flameberge style swords. I hope to remedy that little problem someday soon! 😎
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Post by Ifrit on Jun 29, 2017 6:32:22 GMT
One weak but valid argument I have for thick blades is: There is a reason we don't use filleting knives for bush craft.
Nuff said
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Post by howler on Jun 29, 2017 7:21:15 GMT
Why can't a person have both? This whole discussion reminds me of my CS 1917 saber. Sharpened crowbar by definition. HEAVY hitter. Loved it and would still if I still had it, despite of being on a wholly different train with my spadroon love - regarding "fencible" swords. Would I`ve trusted the 1917 saber for "bear/boar defense"? No. Not even my assegai. Assegai did you say? How bout the CS Boar spear...an assegai on steroids (well, it really is a Polearm). Ah, Polearms.
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Post by howler on Jun 29, 2017 7:34:44 GMT
In the sword design thread, I actually designed a triangle shaped bladed longsword. I can see that being used in the same context a bull fighters sword is used, based on how they seem to be designed. Like a Rondel or a stiletto? That'd be awesome as a Longsword! I know a "swordbreaker" (or at least the Cold Steel version is) is designed similarly supported by a thick blade.....3-edged or not. I have the recently discontinued CS sword breaker. It sort of cheats its way into Djinnobi's (traps) sword realm (as it is well balanced for what it is), though it would really be used as a short spear. It has four hollow ground sides that taper to a pointed tip, and I could never imagine the thing breaking.
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Post by Ramses1079 on Jun 29, 2017 15:11:33 GMT
Like a Rondel or a stiletto? That'd be awesome as a Longsword! I know a "swordbreaker" (or at least the Cold Steel version is) is designed similarly supported by a thick blade.....3-edged or not. I have the recently discontinued CS sword breaker. It sort of cheats its way into Djinnobi's (traps) sword realm (as it is well balanced for what it is), though it would really be used as a short spear. It has four hollow ground sides that taper to a pointed tip, and I could never imagine the thing breaking. Yeah I've seen the video of Thompson throwing the swordbreaker into a bull skull (or whatever poor animals skull that is). I think he's got a "throwing fetish" cause that's not the only sword he tries to throw like a bloody javelin LOL Not saying it isn't talented, but who in their right mind would "throw" their primary weapon??,
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Post by Ramses1079 on Jun 29, 2017 15:13:43 GMT
One weak but valid argument I have for thick blades is: There is a reason we don't use filleting knives for bush craft. Nuff said You can't baton with a fillet knife! 👀
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Post by Lukas MG (chenessfan) on Jun 29, 2017 15:20:28 GMT
One weak but valid argument I have for thick blades is: There is a reason we don't use filleting knives for bush craft. Nuff said And? Right tool for the job. A (sword) blade shouldn't desintigrate when hitting what it's supposed to hit but anything beyond "works and holds up fine" is unnecessary. Overbuilding is never worth it because it literally means "too much" and consequently comes at a cost.
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Post by Ramses1079 on Jun 29, 2017 15:30:03 GMT
One weak but valid argument I have for thick blades is: There is a reason we don't use filleting knives for bush craft. Nuff said And? Right tool for the job. A (sword) blade shouldn't desintigrate when hitting what it's supposed to hit but anything beyond "works and holds up fine" is unnecessary. Overbuilding is never worth it because it literally means "too much" and consequently comes at a cost. So in your opinion, based off what you just said, is a katana that's no-hi" (or a Euro sword with no fuller) a "waste"?
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jun 29, 2017 15:55:14 GMT
Ha!, if a sword works perfectly with a fuller, do you improve it adding a few oz. of steel on the blade?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 15:56:30 GMT
It's vacation season. We take 2 to 3 road trips every summer. After our recent road trip, I thought about this thread scenario. With all the stuff in the back of the SUV, why not a cheap, inconspicuous (thin and black) defense tool that could also be worn on the back for hikes or stored in a tent, etc. After comment review and research, it seems, it will cost at least $300 to $500 to buy a bare blade that is wide, fullered, tempered, sharpened and with a long, handle shaped tang. If its going to cost that much, I might as well consider existing, low cost swords. This tool needs to be cost effective as it will be treated like a car trunk tool. Therefore, I have found some options to consider. See the options below: I searched for this with a little longer blade and grip. Could not find it in black. This sword is under $225 and meets all criteria except blade is a little narrow and guard is a little wide (for scenario). I like it alot. May get it anyway. This sword is under $250 and meets all criteria except no fuller and guard is wide (for scenario). If it had a fuller, I would get it anyway. This sword is approx. $300 and out of stock. If it was black and had sharper point, it would be perfect for scenario. If I could find it, I would get it anyway. What sword would you choose for a strap on back or store in auto trunk sword?
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Post by Lukas MG (chenessfan) on Jun 29, 2017 16:04:04 GMT
Ha!, if a sword works perfectly with a fuller, do you improve it adding a few oz. of steel on the blade? ;) This. If the fullered sword does what you want it to do perfectly, then yes, keep the fuller. Adding more mass will only make it worse. If it's lacking a necessary quality you want (like blade presence), then maybe going without a fuller would be better. This of course is a complex issue and tends to be oversimplified. The key is "too much is always wrong". How much "too much" is, can be a bit of a grey area and it takes expertise to know. That's why not everybody can design and make a good sword. A rule of thumb usually is "less is more", people new or unexperienced to it tend to (and that includes several makers, unfortunately) overbuild things, only very rarely do they underbuild.
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Post by Ramses1079 on Jun 29, 2017 16:09:46 GMT
Ha!, if a sword works perfectly with a fuller, do you improve it adding a few oz. of steel on the blade? I see where your going with this wise guy 😉 But if the sword without a fuller can decapitate due to the weight of the blade x's the force of the swing; would a fullered blade used by the same person have the mass necessary to decapitate?? Hence, IS the fullered blade REALLY "optimal?" This question is for you too Lukas 😁
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jun 29, 2017 16:18:05 GMT
All depends on the task a sword is thought for. If you want to can split bear skulls or cut horses in halves - like Blade Runner (ok for me, as long as he doesn't it really) - you need another sword as for a duel. A fullered blade can have the same mass as a not fullered. If you want a broad and thin cutter, add a fuller, if you want a narrow long thruster, no fuller, if you want me less smartassy, add liquors. ... ... ... Blucher!
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Post by Ramses1079 on Jun 29, 2017 17:02:30 GMT
Oh I know Andi, just returning the smart-assery 😜 I just hope Lukas knows I was being a goon! BLUCHER!!
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jun 29, 2017 17:24:02 GMT
Oh, I overlooked Blade Runners post. The black longsword for me. Blackedyblack. Twohanded. Not fantasy.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 17:57:48 GMT
Andi, you don't mind that it has no fuller?
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