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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 8:45:15 GMT
If you had no firearm or ran out of ammo and were hiking or biking a trail, or in a tent/RV or on the side of a remote highway with auto failure, and you are confronted with an attacking wild beast or a psycho, what kind of sword would you want, to defend yourself and family? I know what I would want. I want a razor sharp "crowbar" of a sword! Haha! A sword constructed of a single slab of thick spring steel with the blade, guard, and handle being one solid piece. The 2 handed handle would have at most some kind of cord wrap . The blade would be 36 inches (91.44 cm) long, thick, wide, double edged, with a fuller. Blade width would serve as hand guard. It would be double edged because two (2) blades are better than one (1) in the Badlands. I want it razor sharp because I may only get one chance at a thrust or swing. I want it long because it may be a bear or a real life huge psycho like Michael Myers from Halloween. The sword would be rust resistant coated. It would look like a "tactical" Viking sword. Assuming the bear or mountain lion or psycho, is not trained and armed with a sword, I want a long, heavy and sharp blade for thrusting and slashing.hehe! Scabbard would be made of some kind of nylon. It would be the kind of sword that you could strap on your back or put in the trunk and forget it until you need it. No need to worry about constant care as it would be as tuff as a sharpened crowbar or tire lug nut wrench. I can not find such a sword. I see many nice yet short and or narrow and or thin tactical swords, but nothing as I described. Does anyone know of a cost effect source for a "tactical" Viking sword? If not, I will submit a design to a forge. Thanks.
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Post by Ifrit on Jun 27, 2017 10:38:44 GMT
Your stats are right up in my ally. I would love a big, thick, non distal tapered leaf blade, personally. I have thought about this a lot, and as a pure destroying weapon, not relying on counters and faints, this is what I would want. A stiff blade, that will not falter in stress if my alignment is off, with a concentrated force for chopping through a thick bone, and a wicked point for when I need thrusts.
It won't be the quickest against a skilled swordsman, but that wouldn't be the point of this sword. A TH 5160 blade and a leather scabbard for me. I dunno how well kydex does against impact in the cold, so I have reserved my full opinion on it. Bt leather will never fail you, and if you harness it right, it won't really need to be stiff
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 10:52:32 GMT
".....a pure destroying weapon, not relying on counters and faints, this is what I would want. A stiff blade, that will not falter in stress if my alignment is off, with a concentrated force for chopping through a thick bone, and a wicked point for when I need thrusts." "It won't be the quickest against a skilled swordsman, but that wouldn't be the point of this sword....." Exactly. You articulated my rational better than me. Thanks.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jun 27, 2017 11:54:15 GMT
Sounds like you want a Zombie Tools sword. I don't know all their types but the Diphos goes in this direction, there are 2 reviews of it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 12:35:30 GMT
Thanks. Their current sword designs do not meet my goals. The Diphos blade is very nice. If the Diphos blade was 36 inches (91.44 cm) long, the handle was redesigned and the price was at least 50% lower, it could work for me. However, they will not customize their swords.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jun 27, 2017 12:49:34 GMT
Yes, but I don't know wether they have a longer sword. The old sharpened-crowbar brands were Generation 2/Legacy Arms (now Hanwei) and Darksword Armory. There still are heavy bulky Gen2's. DSA swords are questionable but I've read somewhere that their bare blades aren't bad, at least you can see the tang.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 13:27:59 GMT
Thanks for info. Zombie currently makes 2 double edge swords including the Diphos and the bad wolf. Bad wolf is longer but not long enough for my use and is narrower without a fuller, which does not meet my goals. As well as, same handle and price concerns for me. However, in my opinion, their Apokatana and Diphos blades are works of art.
Gen2, Hanwei, and Darksword swords are all conventional made swords? Will not work. Need blade, guard, and handle to be one solid piece. Prefer no loose or rattling blades, guards and pommels.
I am thinking I need a source that can cut or stamp out a sword "blank" of my design? Or if they start with a blank as wide as the blade, they would only need to cut/shape handle and end of blade? Then they could shape it, temper it, coat it and sharpen it to my specs. Was hoping to find existing source doing this with an existing design close to what I need, so price is lower.
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Post by Lukas MG (chenessfan) on Jun 27, 2017 14:05:28 GMT
I don't understand why people want a sharpened crowbar... even if you do not have to fence someone with the sword, proper handling is always a plus (what if the first cut doesn't connect and you have to do a second attack? Etc...) and most often, the (cutting) performance of such overbuilt swords is also lacking. There is no need for a single piece design without distal taper or anything in the way of sophisticated mass distribution to give a reliable and effective weapon. Quite on the contrary...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 14:17:44 GMT
Thanks for your comments. For me, if I was facing a wild beast/psycho and I had to choose between a rapier and a 2 handed Viking sword, I would choose the Viking sword. For me, it would give me the best chance of survival.
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Post by Faldarin on Jun 27, 2017 14:45:21 GMT
I have to lean towards Lukas' comment on this. Something that long and heavy - you would be better off having a spiked club, or some kind of spear/tactical staff with a blade at the end. You would want a wild animal (or madman) at as far of a reach from you as possible, and a two handed sword is ironically not known for having the best reach. Something you could 'set' against a charge would be fantastic. (Telescoping? With ultra-strong pin reinforcements you could snap in place?) A heavier sword that is built for durability is going to sacrifice a lot of speed - and by that rule, a lot of power. Good technique would separate someone's limb from their body with a two pound long sword or light katana. Since you already mentioned having something for self defense - I would rather have something that's easier to carry, and more quickly employed. I know! I know, well outside the scope of your original thread. Overly huge tank swords are awesome, but not something I'd want to use on a daily basis. To sum it up, for production pieces, Zombie Tools is about as close as I know of - anywhere, to what you're asking. Otherwise, you are looking at full custom.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 15:06:22 GMT
Thanks for your comments. Yours and Lucas's responses make me think of the movie, "Narnia" with all those animals fighting with swords! haha! Just kidding, just kidding, we all love swords here. As a kid, I made a "Zoro" rapier. Used mom's new stew ladle as the guard! Did not go over well. I will wait and see if any sources jump out soon. If not, I will design it and have it made.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jun 27, 2017 16:02:35 GMT
I would ask Lonly Wolf Forge. Perhaps he can combine a big blade like his Leaf Blade War Sword or like you want it with his full tang sandwitch messer hilts with one piece crossguard/hilts like his Apocodachis?
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Post by Ifrit on Jun 27, 2017 16:05:03 GMT
You guys ever try hit a hard target with a thin sword? Friggen thing bounces around. "with proper edge alignment" you guys might say, but against a charging animal with a thick skull, good luck.
Just cause a sword is good for hema doesn't mean it's good for everything. Also, having an over built sword doesn't mean it's all your about. A proper sword has its place, but so does something over built, like an executioner sword.
Your not looking to faint against a bear if hes trained in hema, your looking for something that can do impact as well as cut. A thick, stiff sword also has the benefit of correcting it's own path a little if alignment is interrupted from, say a charge. The beast isn't gonna remain static, and it's fur is thick.
HEMA guys always think hema is best for all situations and I'll never understand that. It's like a religion to you guys
Sure one can get an axe, as an axe does what this kind of sword does in the cut, but an axe lacks reach and the ability to thrust, and even a longer axe still isn't the best thruster and won't be easy to wear
Why do people fight this topic so hard
Also, by over built I don't mean 1/4" thick. That would be absurd
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 16:09:41 GMT
Djinnobi, the Force is strong with you!
Andi, cool ideal. I will email him. Thanks.
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Post by Ifrit on Jun 27, 2017 16:22:03 GMT
Thanks. I own some more proper made swords, and while I love everything about them, I still desire a strong chopper than won't falter in the cut. Not a single sword I own would help me against a bear attack. I thought of Contacting Lonely Wolf Forge for a nice thick leaf blade. Bear fur is tough, its not easily sliced through.
Now I do not advocate the practice of finding bears to maim. It is dangerous and cruel. But if I found myself in an apocalypse situation, I wouldn't know what to do if I found myself under attack from one.
Against an angry guy whose trained to use a sword? I would love a nice thin blade, with a wicked point. But honestly, I would rather not kill a person if I have that option, so I don't plan around it anymore. I dont have the "don't tread on me" mentality.
It isn't so much that I think I would ever NEED this kind of sword. But hey man, one ridiculous sword makes an excellent show piece. I have proper swords, and will have more still. Its not like its all a person is required to collect
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 16:29:01 GMT
Djinnobi, again....exactly! I could not have stated it clearer or better ....and I didn't, you did again! Your in the Zone. Thanks.
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Post by Ifrit on Jun 27, 2017 16:39:13 GMT
Yea I have taken part of these kinds of threads only to get "buy a proper sword" as a response many times. Like as if that wasn't already on the table "I want a taco" "Buy a burger man, thats a proper snack"
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jun 27, 2017 16:40:44 GMT
For such tasks I would prefer a slightly curved single edged blade, as a Bavarian a huuuuge beeeega Kriegsmesser. The angle of a broad single edger is murderous. I see this a bit in comparing my Windlass Raptor to my longswords.
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Post by Ifrit on Jun 27, 2017 16:42:58 GMT
For such tasks I would prefer a slightly curved single edged blade, as a Bavarian a huuuuge beeeega Kriegsmesser. The angle of a broad single edger is murderous. I see this a bit in comparing my Windlass Raptor to my longswords. That would definitely be my second choice. I want to own a proper Kriegsmesser one day.
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Post by Ifrit on Jun 27, 2017 17:10:44 GMT
Then again, maybe the proper sword guys see it as a guy insisting his steak be well done with ketchup when there is a world of flavour in a medium-rare steak.
Perspective.
But sometimes a guy wants beef jerky for after he has a steak
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