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Post by Cosmoline on Jul 6, 2017 17:03:58 GMT
There's always Israeli carry. But personally for rough use I just go with a modern Ruger with the transfer safety bar. The old Colt "carry five" is the result of a design shortcoming.
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Post by bluetrain on Jul 6, 2017 20:25:03 GMT
The so-called Israeli carry is basically that taught by W.E. Fairbairn and which is nothing more than carrying an automatic pistol with an empty chamber. Safety should be of the utmost concern when carrying a gun, since injuring yourself with your own weapons largely defeats the whole point of having one in the first place. Personally, and this is simply my own opinion based on my own experiences with my personally owned firearms, it has advantages and disadvantages. Aside from what should be the safest way to carry a loaded gun, it also avoids having to frequently load and unload the weapon. But the disadvantage is that it doesn't work that well for all handguns, here referring only to automatics. Some handguns can be particularly difficult to retract the slide, especially when you're in a hurry. The shape may not give you a lot of surface to grasp. That can be overcome with practice, though. But a few handguns, especially Glock, are especially easy in that respect. Choices abound. They even come in pink nowadays.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 23:19:39 GMT
Took me awhile to find it, but here's a link to an article on accidental discharges with various firearms. The case cited for the single action revolver involved none other than Wyatt Earp! It's a long read, but IMHO worth reading if you're involved with firearms, regardless of your experience level. www.tactical-life.com/combat-handguns/dropped-gun-inertia-discharge/
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Post by Ramses1079 on Jul 7, 2017 0:55:11 GMT
Okay guys lets just call a "spade a spade." We can all agree to disagree, but it's JUST a matter of preference. If you are carrying a firearm for self defense (with the intent to USE it if need be) you should ALWAYS carry "cocked and locked" otherwise why bother carrying? If you have been through enough gun courses, like I have over the last 18yrs, you know that the "best safety is the one you carry between your ears!" Now if you don't possess common sense, you also shouldn't possess a firearm......cause let's just face it, that's an accident waiting to happen. If he wants an antique, single-action revolver, and DOESN'T intend to carry it for "protection off life and property" then who CARES whether he has six bullets, or NO bullets in it? Nuff said! I did get to hold an antique "Peacemaker" .45 when I was on vacation in Georgia......Man was that thing awesome to hold!! I had to fight every urge NOT to spin it around on my trigger finger like I was pretending I was at the O.K Corral YEE HAW!
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Post by bluetrain on Jul 7, 2017 10:12:26 GMT
I have owned just about every variety of handgun from a Mauser C96 to a Glock. There's nothing special about cocked and locked. Now if you were planning on a walk and draw, that may be the way to go but nothing like that enters into any conceivable scenario I can dream up. But like I said before, the only recommendation I can make is to be really careful not to ever drop your gun.
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Post by Ramses1079 on Jul 7, 2017 18:55:07 GMT
Well I've been through the police academy, been in more NRA gun safety & CC Courses, and even went through the Active Shooter Response course at the Sig Sauer Academy......plus worked for Homeland Security for almost 3 years. Owning handguns and going through high level specialized training are two different things, you're stating your "opinion" while I'm stating fact, based on professional instruction. I DO agree that you really should do your utmost not to drop ANY firearm.....single action, antique or not! 😁
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Post by bluetrain on Jul 10, 2017 10:27:57 GMT
All your facts, which I do not dispute, are from the standpoint of a law enforcement position, apparently, and I'm not in law enforcement. I'm not a policeman and I have no authority as such. But once in a while, you should allow other people to think for themselves and you might try it yourself now and then. Highly specialized training is not a fact; it's just highly specialized training.
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Post by Ramses1079 on Jul 10, 2017 15:13:13 GMT
I'm a HUGE believer in the theory that the greatest gift we all "should" have is free will. I don't force ANYTHING on ANYONE......that's "rape"(physical or not) so do yourself a favor and be extra careful how you word things, plus no idea where that's coming from.......but if you feel "forced" in any way I'll try to be more "gentle" with you in the future. I just didn't realize you were such a sensitive bloke. When it comes to guns and gun safety the "Specialized Training" trumps whatever you "feel" was "forced" on you. But as I said, I'll be extra gentle when dealing with you from now on. Oh and by the way, after rereading what I wrote to see how you could have POSSIBLY misinterpreted what I wrote, I realized I was never talking to YOU in the first place! Maybe if you paid attention yourself you wouldn't spout out ignorant statements aimed at someone you don't even know, OR who was being spoken TO in the first place.
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Post by seriouslee on Aug 17, 2017 16:23:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 17:16:45 GMT
Henry makes nice rifles, but their Henry repeaters are better repros than the Winchester types. And of course, anything chambered in .22 LR is going to have a lot of styling compromises.
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Post by Alan Schiff on Aug 17, 2017 21:01:01 GMT
Are you looking for historical accuracy or just a fun "cowboy style" lever-action? The offerings from Henry are well-built guns with smooth actions, but aren't really based on any period piece. The Rossi model 92 is a fairly accurate recreation of the Winchester, and Uberti makes recreations of several models from the mid-to-late 1800s. Modern Winchesters (post 1964) are actually made by another firm in Japan and branded Winchester. Many do not think they warrant the asking price, although they are well-made. Used Winchesters can be found for around the same price as a Rossi or Henry centerfire rifle. I had a Henry .22lr and it's a great gun. Also have a Rossi 92 and never had any problems with it, but the action isn't quite as smooth as the Henry. Hope that helps, Alan
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Post by Cosmoline on Aug 17, 2017 23:29:53 GMT
I have owned just about every variety of handgun from a Mauser C96 to a Glock. There's nothing special about cocked and locked. Now if you were planning on a walk and draw, that may be the way to go but nothing like that enters into any conceivable scenario I can dream up. But like I said before, the only recommendation I can make is to be really careful not to ever drop your gun. I concur with this. "Cocked and locked" is a phrase coming from the US military as far as I've been able to tell, and describes the condition of a 1911 or Springfield rifle. It doesn't apply to a revolver at all. And you should NEVER repeat NEVER carry a single action revolver cocked. As far as the SAA and other single action revolvers that lack a transfer safety bar, it's important never to carry a round under the hammer. This doesn't do anything as far as self defense is concerned, though as a general matter single actions are not recommended for self defense. The triggers tend to be too sensitive.
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Post by seriouslee on Aug 18, 2017 13:52:39 GMT
Are you looking for historical accuracy or just a fun "cowboy style" lever-action? The offerings from Henry are well-built guns with smooth actions, but aren't really based on any period piece. The Rossi model 92 is a fairly accurate recreation of the Winchester, and Uberti makes recreations of several models from the mid-to-late 1800s. Modern Winchesters (post 1964) are actually made by another firm in Japan and branded Winchester. Many do not think they warrant the asking price, although they are well-made. Used Winchesters can be found for around the same price as a Rossi or Henry centerfire rifle. I had a Henry .22lr and it's a great gun. Also have a Rossi 92 and never had any problems with it, but the action isn't quite as smooth as the Henry. Hope that helps, Alan Fun, for the most part. Thanks.
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Post by rjodorizzi on Aug 18, 2017 18:04:56 GMT
You simply can't go wrong with the new vaquero. I've owned one, sold it, regretted it, and now have a new one on the way. The TALO quick draw, if you're inclined to know :-).
Modernization of the old design, built like a tank and has the transfer bar so you can roll with a full cylinder.
Priced well and a blast to shoot.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2017 12:24:26 GMT
I am interested in buying cowboy-style revolvers (e.g. Colt Army/Navy, S&W Schofield, etc.), except double-action & chambered for a modern round (e.g. .357 mag, .45 ACP, .44 mag, etc.). Does anyone make something like this? I am well aware of companies like Uberti who make high quality reproductions of these classic handguns, but I'd love to find something more broadly functional, with easier to find ammunition, while maintaining the beautiful old design aesthetics. I think your original search was for a modern production, modern defensive round, cowboy/western, single/double action, pistol? No one makes it, which is odd to me. If you want a modern production, cowboy/western type, it's only going to be single action. Recommend Ruger.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2017 12:51:16 GMT
Are you looking for historical accuracy or just a fun "cowboy style" lever-action? The offerings from Henry are well-built guns with smooth actions, but aren't really based on any period piece. The Rossi model 92 is a fairly accurate recreation of the Winchester, and Uberti makes recreations of several models from the mid-to-late 1800s. Modern Winchesters (post 1964) are actually made by another firm in Japan and branded Winchester. Many do not think they warrant the asking price, although they are well-made. Used Winchesters can be found for around the same price as a Rossi or Henry centerfire rifle. I had a Henry .22lr and it's a great gun. Also have a Rossi 92 and never had any problems with it, but the action isn't quite as smooth as the Henry. Hope that helps, Alan Fun, for the most part. Thanks. Own Winchester and Marlin lever actions. Be VERY careful with Winchesters. Unless they made safety changes in the last 10 years or so. Wanted to check out my own Winchesters after hearing of the accidental discharge I describe below. WARNING: DO NOT TRY THIS! With some of my"modern" Winchesters I own, with the hammer cocked (and unloaded and NO round chambered when I tried this), the hammer can let loose, by just dropping the rifle butt, anywhere from as little as one to two feet depending on the surface!?! True, you should not have a round chambered and hammer cocked unless you are about to fire it, but, I did not expect that from such an iconic, prolific, production rifle. Apparently, many Winchester owners were not aware of this as a news tv show, did an investigative report about it. I personally know of one family that, their 14 year old son was killed, when he was in a tree stand, had a round chambered and hammer cocked and the rifle slipped through his hand, the rifle butt hit a tree branch and went off, firing a 30/30 round up through his chin and into his brain, killing him! His friend was setting next to him. My Marlin lever actions, have a safety system to prevent this from happening. Recommend a Marlin for a lever action.
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Post by seriouslee on Aug 20, 2017 20:29:02 GMT
Fun, for the most part. Thanks. Own Winchester and Marlin lever actions. Be VERY careful with Winchesters. Unless they made safety changes in the last 10 years or so. Wanted to check out my own Winchesters after hearing of the accidental discharge I describe below. WARNING: DO NOT TRY THIS! With some of my"modern" Winchesters I own, with the hammer cocked (and unloaded and NO round chambered when I tried this), the hammer can let loose, by just dropping the rifle butt, anywhere from as little as one to two feet depending on the surface!?! True, you should not have a round chambered and hammer cocked unless you are about to fire it, but, I did not expect that from such an iconic, prolific, production rifle. Apparently, many Winchester owners were not aware of this as a news tv show, did an investigative report about it. I personally know of one family that, their 14 year old son was killed, when he was in a tree stand, had a round chambered and hammer cocked and the rifle slipped through his hand, the rifle butt hit a tree branch and went off, firing a 30/30 round up through his chin and into his brain, killing him! His friend was setting next to him. My Marlin lever actions, have a safety system to prevent this from happening. Recommend a Marlin for a lever action. The TV has been running that piece for a long time now. Another reason I am looking at Henry and NOT Winchester.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 22:05:44 GMT
Don't know if Henry lever actions have a safety system as good or better than a Marlin lever action.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 22:51:29 GMT
Modern Marlins have two safeties, a partial cock notch on the hammer that the lever action design uses, and an additional crossbolt safety added in the 1980s. Henry, Uberti, and Winchester all use the original system.
Also, having the firing pin drop on with a sharp impact on the butt can happen with many bolt action rifles, too. This has been known for at least 100 years, I don't know why it's suddenly a big revelation.
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Post by seriouslee on Aug 21, 2017 21:00:41 GMT
The Marlins look nice. They are in the same price range as well.
Only differences I see are aesthetics, warranty and caliber.
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