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Post by ashcrafter on Jul 14, 2017 1:06:55 GMT
ferro caelum Is "Heavens Steel" in Latin?? not quite: ferro caelum is "heaven by steel (iron)" heavens steel is caela ferrum and heaven's steel is caeli ferrum also, I had a chance to consult my dictionaries, and found out that latin has distinct words for steel : Adamas (adamantis), and chalybs, chalybis (like "christ", not like china) (assumed from greek possibly since y is not a natural latin letter) I'm not sure if we should have "steel ore" so to speak, but Adamas has a range of meanings including some more appropriate ones: steel, hardest iron (early); anything hard, adamant; white sapphire; diamond greek for iron/steel: σίδηρος (sideros) ὁλοσίδηρος holosideros, ἐλατρεύς elatreus greek for star aster, falling star diopetes aster in light of this, here's a new list of potential names: stelladamas caeliadamas Adamas caeli caelestium Adamas Maybe just 'adamas', though some [] might have copyrighted that :/ caelybs astrelatrite caelite siderite chalybite / chalibite astrite diopetite holosiderite / holosidrite stellate / stellite etc.
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Post by ashcrafter on Jul 14, 2017 1:09:36 GMT
Acero eterno (eternal steel) in Spanish Vichna stal (eternal steel) in Ukrainian Eilift stal (eternal steel) in Icelandic Himmel erz (heavens ore ) in German Ouranòs (heavens ore) in Greek spéartha méine (heavens ore) in Gaelic/Irish Reneste ven (Purest vein) in Danish Vena più pura (Purest vein) in Italian Kami no kinzoku (divine metal) in Japanese himmel erz ... I'm a wwii geek, but that seems too be a tad too much like "Himmler" ...
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Post by Ramses1079 on Jul 14, 2017 1:12:04 GMT
ferro caelum Is "Heavens Steel" in Latin?? If you want to get technical, ferro caelum would actually mean the opposite of caeliferrum; ferro is the dative (and ablative, but that case doesn't exist in English) of ferrum, indicating that it's for something, whereas caeli is the genitive of caelum, meaning it's related or owned by something else; essentially, ferro caelum is "iron for heaven" while caeliferrum is "iron from heaven". It's a small, but important difference. Gotcha! Thanks for the clarification, I'd always wished I'd been and to learn Latin, or my two nationalities languages (Italian, and Russian). If I had, I would've been able to teach it to my daughter......alas, mores the pity!
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Post by Ramses1079 on Jul 14, 2017 1:13:34 GMT
ferro caelum Is "Heavens Steel" in Latin?? not quite: ferro caelum is "heaven by steel (iron)" heavens steel is caela ferrum and heaven's steel is caeli ferrum also, I had a chance to consult my dictionaries, and found out that latin has distinct words for steel : Adamas (adamantis), and chalybs, chalybis (like "christ", not like china) (assumed from greek possibly since y is not a natural latin letter) I'm not sure if we should have "steel ore" so to speak, but Adamas has a range of meanings including some more appropriate ones: steel, hardest iron (early); anything hard, adamant; white sapphire; diamond greek for iron/steel: σίδηρος (sideros) ὁλοσίδηρος holosideros, ἐλατρεύς elatreus greek for star aster, falling star diopetes aster in light of this, here's a new list of potential names: stelladamas caeliadamas Adamas caeli caelestium Adamas Maybe just 'adamas', though some [] might have copyrighted that :/ caelybs astrelatrite caelite siderite chalybite / chalibite astrite diopetite holosiderite / holosidrite stellate / stellite etc. Yeah Vincent corrected that too......REALLY wish I knew more than English, and Bad English 😅
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Post by Ramses1079 on Jul 14, 2017 1:14:52 GMT
Acero eterno (eternal steel) in Spanish Vichna stal (eternal steel) in Ukrainian Eilift stal (eternal steel) in Icelandic Himmel erz (heavens ore ) in German Ouranòs (heavens ore) in Greek spéartha méine (heavens ore) in Gaelic/Irish Reneste ven (Purest vein) in Danish Vena più pura (Purest vein) in Italian Kami no kinzoku (divine metal) in Japanese himmel erz ... I'm a wwii geek, but that seems too be a tad too much like "Himmler" ... Ouch, your right.......where's that edit button
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Post by dchisenh on Jul 14, 2017 1:21:12 GMT
Elatreus sounds like a good name for the world, "Swords of Elatreus" has a nice ring to it!
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Post by ashcrafter on Jul 14, 2017 1:36:26 GMT
Elatreus sounds like a good name for the world, "Swords of Elatreus" has a nice ring to it! I didn't think of using that for the world, but it sounds great. /+1
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Jul 14, 2017 2:07:22 GMT
If you want to get technical, ferro caelum would actually mean the opposite of caeliferrum; ferro is the dative (and ablative, but that case doesn't exist in English) of ferrum, indicating that it's for something, whereas caeli is the genitive of caelum, meaning it's related or owned by something else; essentially, ferro caelum is "iron for heaven" while caeliferrum is "iron from heaven". It's a small, but important difference. Gotcha! Thanks for the clarification, I'd always wished I'd been and to learn Latin, or my two nationalities languages (Italian, and Russian). If I had, I would've been able to teach it to my daughter......alas, mores the pity! Don't sweat it; I only speak English fluently and I'm working on my Japanese, but other than that, my knowledge of other languages really only stems from obsessive research when I choose to use it for one of my worlds. But even then, Latin's really the only one I've given any amount of time to, enough to know how little I really know. The pronunciation's a right pain in the ass, though, considering the Latin words we've adopted and changed the pronunciation of; like Caeser, usually pronounced in English like "seize-er", when it should really be more like the German Kaizer, or the fact that "v" is pronounced more like "u", which was a pretty annoying thing to find, since my name, Vincent, is derived from the Latin Vincentius and, according to Latin pronunciation, is should be pronounced closer to Win-ken-ti-oos.
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Post by Ramses1079 on Jul 14, 2017 2:29:11 GMT
Man, you and Verity make me feel like a second grader talking to a PHD candidate......and I actually DO have a degree!! Thanks for the clarification though, I'd rather be corrected, then walk around spouting out sentence fragments in pig Latin like an escaped mental patient!! 😜 I grew up and lived in Boston for 30 years......every time I tried to learn new languages, all anyone would teach me were the swear words! So no "second" language, but I can tell "your mama" jokes and cuss you out in Spanish, Vietnamese, Cambodian, Italian and a couple of words in Russian SO dirty they'd make your ears bleed! Aren't people mean? I was legit trying to learn about others languages and cultures, and instead know how to tell a rude woman her "lady part" has teeth!!! 😅
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Post by Ramses1079 on Jul 14, 2017 2:51:49 GMT
Elatreus sounds like a good name for the world, "Swords of Elatreus" has a nice ring to it! Or a muscle group: "damn I hate Elatreus day at the gym!" 😉
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Post by dchisenh on Jul 14, 2017 2:56:13 GMT
Well, I've had 'Rock me Amadeaus" theme stuck in my head for the past 10 minutes, except it's Eletreus!
Anyway, not to take away from the name, it really does sound like a really good name for this world. Meaning Steel in Greek and having a fantasy sound to it, I hope it's not copyrighted or anything. (just googled it and not that I can see...sounds like a good candidate for domain grabbing!)
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Jul 14, 2017 3:08:20 GMT
Well, I've had 'Rock me Amadeaus" theme stuck in my head for the past 10 minutes, except it's: "Elatreus, Elatreus,....Eletreus Elatreus, Elatreus,....Eletreus Elatreus, Elatreus, oh, oh, oh Elatreus!" ... You bastard. Now I have to go listen to it to get that song out of my head. Ramses1079 Sounds about right. My family's mostly of German descent (though I'm a massive mutt; seriously, outside Portugal, I have traces from everywhere in Europe) and my biological grandfather was stationed in Germany when my mom was born, so he spoke the language quite a bit and taught her the curses, which she then taught me when I was about 8 or 9. The only one I still remember, though, is scheissekoff (sh*thead). Probably has to do with taking German in 9th grade and giving up on it because the environment just wasn't conducive to learning (plus the language sounds so angry all the time); did the same with ASL the year after, which I probably should have anticipated, what with the fact that I learn best through sound and we were eventually expected to converse solely through signing.
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Post by sevicler on Jul 14, 2017 3:10:59 GMT
Swords of Elatreus....Nice. +1
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Post by dchisenh on Jul 14, 2017 3:19:41 GMT
Well, I've had 'Rock me Amadeaus" theme stuck in my head for the past 10 minutes, except it's: "Elatreus, Elatreus,....Eletreus Elatreus, Elatreus,....Eletreus Elatreus, Elatreus, oh, oh, oh Elatreus!" ... You bastard. Now I have to go listen to it to get that song out of my head. Ramses1079 Sounds about right. My family's mostly of German descent (though I'm a massive mutt; seriously, outside Portugal, I have traces from everywhere in Europe) and my biological grandfather was stationed in Germany when my mom was born, so he spoke the language quite a bit and taught her the curses, which she then taught me when I was about 8 or 9. The only one I still remember, though, is scheissekoff (sh*thead). Probably has to do with taking German in 9th grade and giving up on it because the environment just wasn't conducive to learning (plus the language sounds so angry all the time); did the same with ASL the year after, which I probably should have anticipated, what with the fact that I learn best through sound and we were eventually expected to converse solely through signing. Hahahahaa...that's EXACTLY why I edited that out, I figured it would get stuck in your heads too and maybe some younger folks here won't have heard it and not be subjected to that damned earworm. Oh well, guess it's out there now!
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Post by dchisenh on Jul 14, 2017 3:29:53 GMT
So, I know Paul was looking for a few names quick, my votes are: Lich King = T'shering the Eternal "unobtainium" = stelliferrum world = Elatreus "Swords of Elatreus"
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Post by dchisenh on Jul 14, 2017 3:39:22 GMT
Also, since my previous post about this may have been overlooked due to the crazy magic development discussions at the time, I was wondering:
Paul, what sort of metallurgical flourishes could BCI produce that could denote particular sword or metal's properties?
I'll copy and past my previous post below for reference:
Since Paul mentioned this earlier:
Naturally, being generated by members of a sword community, concentrating on metallurgy, steel sources and types (including magical steels and ways to enchant weapons) will be very important. LOVE the idea of the Badlands having the last known deposits of the "Unobtanium" that the Empire uses to forge its magic weapons. The concept of various warlords (not all of them human) vying for control of the resource is an awesome one..
I think it makes sense to have a few types of 'magical' metals for weapon making and perhaps some visual changes associated with weapon enchantments (preferably ones the real-life forge could recreate).
If we stick with the "unobtainium" deposit in the center of the Badlands, as the last known large deposit from an ancient asteroid (or was it a Fallen God?, Primordial?), we can stick with the story that it's scarcity and tensile strength limits it to short robust blades (short swords, daggers, gladius) or long, thin blades (rapiers, estocs, or even the end of a pilum). It could be characterized by it's luster, resulting in blades with a mirror polish. There could be several theories for it's magical properties against the undead. Perhaps it somehow 'taints' or 'severs' the Lich King's control, maybe it contains a background radiation of sorts that interferes with magic. I think if we limit this metal as having anti-undead/zombie abilities we can use it as a rationale for tension between the Empire (who equips it's ever-growing legions with it) and the Lich King (who likely outlaws it's possession in the Land of the Dead).
Similarly, this growing arms race could see the Lich King creating his own weapons, perhaps out of Dark Steel. This could be diametrically opposed to "unobtainium", causing both to explode on impact like the two poles of a magnet coming into contact. It could be visually represented by it's inky blackness, in contrast to the mirror brightness of "unobtainium" (realistically it could be created by a black oxide finish or a dark acid stain of some sort). These weapons could be limited in size as well, being forged into kopeshes and scythes in the style of the Land of the Dead. The creation of these anti-"unobtainium" swords might be known only by the Lich King and those around him in the Land of the Dead, a closely guarded state secret, but occasionally being seen out and about in the world, wielded by his most trusted soldiers.
Dragon Steel (pattern welded steel) could be used in particularly mythic weapons, handed down for generations or the official weapons of the King/Warlord/High Priest. They could be any length, since they used the fire of dragons to fuse both "unobtainium" and regular steel, to overcome it's inherent structural limitations. These weapons might have additional powers given to them, based on enchantments etched into their patterning, giving them not only added power against the undead but other adversaries as well.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jul 14, 2017 4:29:45 GMT
Best steel = cromium
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Post by admin on Jul 14, 2017 4:29:57 GMT
A very quick update (the one you all have been waiting for) - round one winners have been announced HEREA new sub board has also been created and this discussion will soon be moved over to there accordingly. Thanks to everyone who entered and contributed and remember - even if you were not chosen for round 1, there are so many great entries that there will be a round 2 and quite possibly a round 3. So it ain't over yet folks..! Update you all again soon. - Paul
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Post by Ramses1079 on Jul 14, 2017 4:32:32 GMT
Don't forget the classics like Mithral, Adamantine.....etc. mithral has a dull grey/silver kinda like L6 (not saying fantasy swords should be made out if L6....half of us wouldn't be able to afford them) That was just for comparison between "fantasy steels" and actual modern steel. What if that steel ISN'T native to this world, and much like the Norse Mythos THIS world could be like Midgard, on the World Tree, and some "world-hopping" travelers, whose OWN world was overrun by an Undead manifestation, fled....taking with them the ONLY known steel on their world that can sever the spiritual connection that keeps a soul bound to an undead corpse. Don't forget that a Lich MUST change bodies every so many years (I don't know, every 50-100yrs??) due to the laws of decomposition, and magic can only preserve "flesh" for so long. It's the Liches SOUL that is immortal, and his immense strength and sheer force of will allows him to expel a host soul from its birth body so that he can anchor himself to it. Voldemort from Harry Potter was a lich of sorts. He wasn't "undead" but in order to COMPLETELY kill him, phylacteries (that kept a piece of his soul/life force within MUST be destroyed or he could return. An actual Lich can have one (or several) phylacteries......HEAVILY guarded by spells, traps, an army of the undead......for if they are found and destroyed, so is the Lich.....for good. Or if someone powerful enough were to find and hold "hostage" that phylactery, the Lich would be forced to do his bidding (till such time as the Lich gains control BACK of his phylactery and his revenge on the thief. This mysterious metal, which is not yet named, could have been left on this world by the above mentioned "world-hoppers" to hopefully prevent the apocalypse that happened to their world. This foreign metal (kinda like kryptonite in theory) holds the natural ability, or maybe the "world travelers" used their technology to synthesize a man-made elememt, to outright destroy the spirit anchor that animates an undead body. Severing spirit and body, destroying the now hollow shell and sending the once host spirit screaming in anger and impotence into whatever afterlife awaits it. forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Lich
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Post by SandStormZA on Jul 14, 2017 6:06:08 GMT
ashcrafter No offense taken, I absolutely did put it together in a hurry Thanks for the feedback on it, I'm glad others see it as something to play around with
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