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Post by Verity on Jun 12, 2017 18:45:57 GMT
Oh I totally have a Barrett M107 on my wishlist. *wipes away drool forming in the corner of mouth* Um yeah, me too 😉 You just have to be careful with the Barrett....when you shoot it, the concussive force shoots out either side of the vented barrel and can actually blow stuff away from you! Oh I am aware. :)
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Post by bluetrain on Jun 12, 2017 18:47:36 GMT
I'm not following you all. No .30 caliber rifle I ever fired was especially punishing. And that includes .30-06, 7.62, .303 British or .30-30 Winchester. None were cheap to shoot, either.
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Post by Verity on Jun 12, 2017 18:52:01 GMT
I'm not following you all. No .30 caliber rifle I ever fired was especially punishing. And that includes .30-06, 7.62, .303 British or .30-30 Winchester. None were cheap to shoot, either. I've never had any issues with any .30 cal except for my .300 Winchester Magnum. That does have some punch to it.
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Post by Ramses1079 on Jun 12, 2017 19:10:27 GMT
I'm not following you all. No .30 caliber rifle I ever fired was especially punishing. And that includes .30-06, 7.62, .303 British or .30-30 Winchester. None were cheap to shoot, either. I think you misunderstood, I wasn't saying my shoulder was black and blue, or my arm was falling off. I was just saying they kick pretty good. The ones I anticipate "hurting" (and I mean that in the most minimal way) are the 458 Socom & the .50cal. I took some black and blue punishment firing the Benelli M4 (7+1 Semi-Auto 3" magnum slugs) a Marine friend of mine has. But the KelTec KSG took the cake with 14+1 12ga slugs, if you want to talk "shoulder punishment!" Just don't make the mistake I did and shoot EITHER of those wearing a tank top!!
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Post by Verity on Jun 12, 2017 19:17:35 GMT
I'm not following you all. No .30 caliber rifle I ever fired was especially punishing. And that includes .30-06, 7.62, .303 British or .30-30 Winchester. None were cheap to shoot, either. I think you misunderstood, I wasn't saying my shoulder was black and blue, or my arm was falling off. I was just saying they kick pretty good. The ones I anticipate "hurting" (and I mean that in the most minimal way) are the 458 Socom & the .50cal. I took some black and blue punishment firing the Benelli M4 (7+1 Semi-Auto 3" magnum slugs) a Marine friend of mine has. But the KelTec KSG took the cake with 14+1 12ga slugs, if you want to talk "shoulder punishment!" Just don't make the mistake I did and shoot EITHER of those wearing a tank top!! .50 out of a Barrett M107 is actually not too bad. The internal shock absorption recoil thing is fancy and absorbs a lot of the perceived recoil. I've only shot one once (and now really want one) and i didn't find the round out of the M107 to be noticeably different than my .300 WM.
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Post by howler on Jun 12, 2017 20:16:50 GMT
Exeter---one of my bucket list guns is a lever action 45-70 (Marlin) So I feel your pain.....literally LOL Blue train-- The 30-06 beats out the .308 so you definitely deserve a. Medal for that one 😉 Mr. Bad Example-- The Mosin's were one of the most deadly and prolific rifles ever made. Besides the AK of course. I have yet to fire the "Big Boys". Like the Socom 458 and of course the .50!!!! Edit: I DID shoot a .500 S&W, Yowza! Hats off to you ramses... after my .45-70 experience I'd hate to contemplate something like that in a semi-auto action. At least working a bolt gives you a bit of time to reflect on whether you really want to do this again.. I always thought the semi-auto would have less recoil, assuming equal weight rifles. Maybe it is the type of semi (with recoil spring in buttstock and whatnot). Clearly it isn't the same as pistols, with the whole slide moving.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 21:09:02 GMT
Speaking of .50s, anyone here have experience with the AR-50?
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Post by Verity on Jun 12, 2017 21:35:26 GMT
Speaking of .50s, anyone here have experience with the AR-50? You mean the Beowulf? .50 Beowulf?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 22:44:46 GMT
Speaking of .50s, anyone here have experience with the AR-50? You mean the Beowulf? .50 Beowulf? .50 BMG I might be trying the Barnes type in the near future😁
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Post by bluetrain on Jun 13, 2017 10:37:49 GMT
There are AR-15/AR-15 type rifles in either .45 or .50 caliber chambering's. Ballistics are supposedly similar to the older big bore black power rifle cartridges of the 19th century. I think the first one was developed by Barnes nearly 50 years ago, the fellow who wrote the best reference book on cartridges. I think the novelty quotient is way up there, although as a useful combat cartridge, there may be others that are a little better.
I'm almost certain that a semi-automatic rifle has less kick than one that isn't. That doesn't seem to apply to handguns, however, since the dynamics are different. But in basic training in 1965, an instructor on the range held an M-14 up to his chin and fired it to demonstrate that the recoil wasn't bad, although that was not something I'd attempt. At any rate, I'd be at a loss to quantify it. There are three elements that go into how much kick a long gun has, plus one or two other factors. Caliber isn't one of them but bullet weight is. There is also the power of the particular cartridge: think of the difference between a .45-70 and a .458 Winchester. And finally there is the weight of the gun. Another factor is the design of the stock and the weight distribution. Here you have to distinguish between muzzle flip and straight recoil, although it's hard to remember that it makes any difference when you're actually the one doing the shooting. Supposedly the straighter stocks push straight back but it's hard to see how that make for less of a difference on your shoulder.
Supposedly lighter men, which includes me, move with the recoil more while heavier men absorb more of the kick. That doesn't make a real difference since you are what you are. But it pays to hold the gun tight against your shoulder. When shooting from a prone position, you will absorb more of the recoil, too. If you are hunting or shooting at something that might shoot back, you probably won't notice any of this or even notice the noise.
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Post by Ramses1079 on Jun 13, 2017 17:31:20 GMT
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Post by Ramses1079 on Jun 13, 2017 17:35:11 GMT
There are AR-15/AR-15 type rifles in either .45 or .50 caliber chambering's. Ballistics are supposedly similar to the older big bore black power rifle cartridges of the 19th century. I think the first one was developed by Barnes nearly 50 years ago, the fellow who wrote the best reference book on cartridges. I think the novelty quotient is way up there, although as a useful combat cartridge, there may be others that are a little better. I'm almost certain that a semi-automatic rifle has less kick than one that isn't. That doesn't seem to apply to handguns, however, since the dynamics are different. But in basic training in 1965, an instructor on the range held an M-14 up to his chin and fired it to demonstrate that the recoil wasn't bad, although that was not something I'd attempt. At any rate, I'd be at a loss to quantify it. There are three elements that go into how much kick a long gun has, plus one or two other factors. Caliber isn't one of them but bullet weight is. There is also the power of the particular cartridge: think of the difference between a .45-70 and a .458 Winchester. And finally there is the weight of the gun. Another factor is the design of the stock and the weight distribution. Here you have to distinguish between muzzle flip and straight recoil, although it's hard to remember that it makes any difference when you're actually the one doing the shooting. Supposedly the straighter stocks push straight back but it's hard to see how that make for less of a difference on your shoulder. Supposedly lighter men, which includes me, move with the recoil more while heavier men absorb more of the kick. That doesn't make a real difference since you are what you are. But it pays to hold the gun tight against your shoulder. When shooting from a prone position, you will absorb more of the recoil, too. If you are hunting or shooting at something that might shoot back, you probably won't notice any of this or even notice the noise. Well I'm taller, AND heavier than most so I "generally" feel less recoil. Some big bore rounds you just CAN'T avoid it. By all accounts a .50 really isn't as bad as most people "think" it is.
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Post by howler on Jun 18, 2017 22:22:17 GMT
There are AR-15/AR-15 type rifles in either .45 or .50 caliber chambering's. Ballistics are supposedly similar to the older big bore black power rifle cartridges of the 19th century. I think the first one was developed by Barnes nearly 50 years ago, the fellow who wrote the best reference book on cartridges. I think the novelty quotient is way up there, although as a useful combat cartridge, there may be others that are a little better. I'm almost certain that a semi-automatic rifle has less kick than one that isn't. That doesn't seem to apply to handguns, however, since the dynamics are different. But in basic training in 1965, an instructor on the range held an M-14 up to his chin and fired it to demonstrate that the recoil wasn't bad, although that was not something I'd attempt. At any rate, I'd be at a loss to quantify it. There are three elements that go into how much kick a long gun has, plus one or two other factors. Caliber isn't one of them but bullet weight is. There is also the power of the particular cartridge: think of the difference between a .45-70 and a .458 Winchester. And finally there is the weight of the gun. Another factor is the design of the stock and the weight distribution. Here you have to distinguish between muzzle flip and straight recoil, although it's hard to remember that it makes any difference when you're actually the one doing the shooting. Supposedly the straighter stocks push straight back but it's hard to see how that make for less of a difference on your shoulder. Supposedly lighter men, which includes me, move with the recoil more while heavier men absorb more of the kick. That doesn't make a real difference since you are what you are. But it pays to hold the gun tight against your shoulder. When shooting from a prone position, you will absorb more of the recoil, too. If you are hunting or shooting at something that might shoot back, you probably won't notice any of this or even notice the noise. Well I'm taller, AND heavier than most so I "generally" feel less recoil. Some big bore rounds you just CAN'T avoid it. By all accounts a .50 really isn't as bad as most people "think" it is. Your shooting the .50 prone, on your belly, so being on the ground helps with recoil, as you'd have to be a real gorilla beast to shoot those monsters standing.
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Post by slav on Jun 19, 2017 6:59:09 GMT
I'm not following you all. No .30 caliber rifle I ever fired was especially punishing. And that includes .30-06, 7.62, .303 British or .30-30 Winchester. None were cheap to shoot, either. Challenge accepted...here you go: My Tikka T3 in 300 WinMag with fluted barrel/bolt and Manners carbon fiber stock. Weighs in at 6 lb. 15 oz. with scope and all. EVery time I pick it up, my shoulder looks at me like..."really?"
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Post by bluetrain on Jun 19, 2017 14:37:29 GMT
How much shooting do you plan on doing with a lightweight rifle like that anyway?
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Jun 19, 2017 16:45:46 GMT
But the KelTec KSG took the cake with 14+1 12ga slugs, if you want to talk "shoulder punishment!" Just don't make the mistake I did and shoot EITHER of those wearing a tank top!! Lol yeah the KSG kicks like a mule. I got one a while back thinking it would be good for my wife. She has very short arms so can't rack most shotguns or even shoulder them well... thought the KSG would be a good solution. Took it shooting... and said nah, this would knock her over.
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Post by slav on Jun 19, 2017 17:13:49 GMT
How much shooting do you plan on doing with a lightweight rifle like that anyway? Just enough to keep it sighted in, and take down large animals on occasion. No more...haha.
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Post by bluetrain on Jun 19, 2017 19:59:20 GMT
If YouTube videos are to be believed, and I see no reason why not, it is possible for a person to be knocked down if they aren't very heavy and neither standing the best way or holding the gun the right way. Likewise, the unexpected recoil of a heavy recoiling gun might hit a sensitive spot (like your nose) and might make you react as if it kicked hard. For some reason, people seem to always be surprised by the kick of a pistol-gripped shotgun fired without a shoulder stock. But I've fired a trapdoor Springfield carbine held at arms length in one hand with hardly any noticeable kick. Not the best way to shoot that gun but it does spare your shoulder. It wasn't all that short or lightweight, though.
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Post by Ramses1079 on Jun 20, 2017 2:09:37 GMT
Well I'm taller, AND heavier than most so I "generally" feel less recoil. Some big bore rounds you just CAN'T avoid it. By all accounts a .50 really isn't as bad as most people "think" it is. Your shooting the .50 prone, on your belly, so being on the ground helps with recoil, as you'd have to be a real gorilla beast to shoot those monsters standing. My friend Val's father owns Serbu Firearms and, not only is she the prettiest "beast" I've seen fire a .50, but she does it like a BOSS!! Oh, and SHE can do it standing........
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Post by Ramses1079 on Jun 20, 2017 2:17:47 GMT
But the KelTec KSG took the cake with 14+1 12ga slugs, if you want to talk "shoulder punishment!" Just don't make the mistake I did and shoot EITHER of those wearing a tank top!! Lol yeah the KSG kicks like a mule. I got one a while back thinking it would be good for my wife. She has very short arms so can't rack most shotguns or even shoulder them well... thought the KSG would be a good solution. Took it shooting... and said nah, this would knock her over. Sean have you tried the "short shells for 12ga? Less powder, same great Ammo, more capacity! 😉
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