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Post by Jordan Williams on Jan 24, 2019 20:44:51 GMT
Edelweiss isn't that the very same sword that Robert E. Lee gave to Von Bredow during his death ride?!  Big oof. Time to do more stalking to find that C and J. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 21:04:16 GMT
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Post by Jordan Williams on Apr 17, 2019 19:20:19 GMT
So after handling and getting to fondle a bunch of cav sabres, mostly light or universal patterns I really have to say I love the U.S. 1860 dynamically, and it still retains the spot of favorite among those I've handled.
Great write up, and I still come back for some reading now and then.
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Post by wlewisiii on Apr 21, 2019 4:45:37 GMT
The only really good one is out of production - that was the USCA 1906 production replica. This is KoA's old page for it: www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=501392 Keep your eyes open for it for sale used as it's the only really good one this side of an original. I got one here last summer (August/September time frame) and it was worth every penny. |
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Apr 21, 2019 4:49:38 GMT
My CS is the better one.
My Windlass 1860 Officers is only a bit smaller but the bad grip equals this.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Apr 21, 2019 4:52:39 GMT
Can anyone point me in the direction of the best version of the 1840/1860 being produced currently? I had the Cold steel one at one point but it just seemed to be a little too front heavy even for it's type. Sadly enough you have it. The cavalry officers is okay but has poor dynamics and a thin grip. If you want, and are willing to pay shipping I can regrind your 1840 to have a thinner foible ala the original 1860CS. So far I've had a certain degree of success in grinding down windlass sabre foibles to match originals. |
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Post by pgandy on Apr 21, 2019 9:50:37 GMT
The US M1902 is of a different breed and is the current US Army’s dress sword in its SLO form. It was originally designed as a combat arm to replace the M1850 officer’s sword. Universal now has a copy in 1055 steel. It’s a bit heavier with a greater PoB than the original M1902 of 3¼” but the specs look a bit better than the M1840/1860 copies. www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=USS710&name=US+Army+Model+1902+Infantry+Officer%27s+Saber Windlass’ M1860 Officer’s Saber handles much better after modifying the grip. What they give is an eye sore and what’s worse creates an ill handling sword. |
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Apr 21, 2019 12:24:54 GMT
Exactly!
A fine light saber is the CS Marines NCO, nice blingbling too.
But doesn't have the 1840/1860/1906 guard, which I really like, better than their French elder brothers.
Perhaps the CS sabers have all a better handling than their Windlass counterparts because their blades are designed as sharps and not only sharpemed blunts.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Apr 21, 2019 16:31:01 GMT
Sadly enough you have it. The cavalry officers is okay but has poor dynamics and a thin grip. If you want, and are willing to pay shipping I can regrind your 1840 to have a thinner foible ala the original 1860CS. So far I've had a certain degree of success in grinding down windlass sabre foibles to match originals. Perhaps the CS Napoleon is a little better?. .It's similar enough I suppose. When I get home later today I can upload a photo of a Mle 1802 rep to an 1860, the sabres are really quite different. I personally don't think you'll get close handling stats with the Napoleon. Just too many design differences, The langets, olives, backstrap, And curve being the foremost. |
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Post by Jordan Williams on Apr 21, 2019 19:22:15 GMT
When I get home later today I can upload a photo of a Mle 1802 rep to an 1860, the sabres are really quite different. I personally don't think you'll get close handling stats with the Napoleon. Just too many design differences, The langets, olives, backstrap, And curve being the foremost. Thanks. Actually just remembered this - www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=USS184&name=US+Model+1840+Cavalry+SaberWrong grip and name; it's the 1860 but it looks almost close. Too short of blade as well. For some reason no Indian forge can get their hands on a photo of an original 1860 |
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Post by howler on Apr 21, 2019 19:41:46 GMT
Exactly! A fine light saber is the CS Marines NCO, nice blingbling too. But doesn't have the 1840/1860/1906 guard, which I really like, better than their French elder brothers. Perhaps the CS sabers have all a better handling than their Windlass counterparts because their blades are designed as sharps and not only sharpemed blunts. CS Marine NCO is just a great, speedy little infantry type. |
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Post by pgandy on Apr 21, 2019 20:41:17 GMT
I nearly bought that one, since they changed to 1055 steel but when ACC offered the Windlass at $90 I grabbed it. I have two Universal swords and find their finish superior to Windlass, both are beautiful to look at. And I must admit that Universal M1840 still stirs some emotions in me. My Windlass is about the same weight as that Universal with a shorter PoB and heavier than KoA’s stats, 2 lbs 3.6 oz/6.875” vs 2 lbs 2 oz/6.5”. After increasing the grip diameter and changing shape I found mine handled about like the Princess above it in the photo, just not all that happy with the appearance of the grip. While the Universal model still attracts me I estimate the cost at just over $300 after importing and I like the statistics and handling on my M1860 OK certainly well enough not to spend an additional $300, not to say they couldn’t be better but better than the statistics given for the Universal. But then, I am not really into sabres. Just an after thought, I'm glad that I don't have to make that decision again. The Windlass cuts very well as it also holds its edge. Got mine in November and it will still shave, but I do put tape over the edge before returning to the steel scabbard.  |
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Post by Dave Kelly on Sept 20, 2019 12:53:04 GMT
I haven't taken the time to update any data here forever. Even the question of whether Cold Steel had done anything to update their saber. Last month Midway had a sale I spotted. For the price I picked up the 1840. They still call it the 1860 Heavy. It still has the wrong grip.
But the handling has been significantly improved. I mean, I'm doing double moulinets from tierce and over my head and they are effortless.
I need to do a table comparing the old and new data.
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Post by pgandy on Sept 20, 2019 13:28:25 GMT
I need to do a table comparing the old and new data. Please. |
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Sept 20, 2019 14:27:38 GMT
I bought my CS "1860"/1840 in 2017 and always thought it has a good handling for its size.
Later I bought a Windlass 1860 Union Officer's and was disappointed of the handling, not better than the CS.
The Windlass has a really bad grip that I reworked, but even with the better grip I feel not much difference despite the CS has a longer and wider blade, esp. at the foible.
The CS has a better weight distribution than the Windlass, perhaps because they make them sharp or other not visible changes of the 1840 blade.
Too bad I have no Windlass 1840 to compare.
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Post by Dave Kelly on Sept 20, 2019 15:18:22 GMT
I bought my CS "1860"/1840 in 2017 and always thought it has a good handling for its size. Later I bought a Windlass 1860 Union Officer's and was disappointed of the handling, not better than the CS. The Windlass has a really bad grip that I reworked, but even with the better grip I feel not much difference despite the CS has a longer and wider blade, esp. at the foible. The CS has a better weight distribution than the Windlass, perhaps because they make them sharp or other not visible changes of the 1840 blade. Too bad I have no Windlass 1840 to compare. Always thought the CS was a special order Windlass product (both have the wrong grip) ;) |
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Sept 20, 2019 15:38:06 GMT
Yeah, visual identical, but perhaps the special order included some differences in the blade, dunno, that's why I ask.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Sept 20, 2019 21:28:32 GMT
They also both have the Cold Steel stamp in the tang.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Sept 21, 2019 5:13:28 GMT
Yeah, but it's interesting if the Indian smiths do more than simply second bevel sharpening for the CS saber.
Or is the better handling (or better: equal handling despite of a bigger blade) only due to the thicker forte of the 1840, a better mass distribution this way?
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Post by Miguel Rivera on May 14, 2020 21:49:45 GMT
Hello , I have what I identify as a 1840 model I got from my grand Father in Peru...it is stamped C&J for Clement & Joung...I was wondering if this was obtained by South America directly or was a US cavalry sabre sold as surplus by Francis Bannerman? any references of swords in other countries?
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