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Post by Dave Kelly on Dec 27, 2018 1:29:38 GMT
Merry Christmas to me. Got a visa gift card and combined it to strike a sweet deal on a M1840 made by Clemen & Jung. Can't wait to clean and restore it. Congrats. C&J was a small forge, with a good rep. 1860-1970. Their scabbards were made by S&K American Sauerbier used C&J blades on their sabers. They only produced M1840s. |
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jan 5, 2019 18:31:31 GMT
Merry Christmas to me. Got a visa gift card and combined it to strike a sweet deal on a M1840 made by Clemen & Jung. Can't wait to clean and restore it. Congrats. C&J was a small forge, with a good rep. 1860-1970. Their scabbards were made by S&K American Sauerbier used C&J blades on their sabers. They only produced M1840s. Dammit. Not only is the blade bent. Two places (the foible and right at the base) but I'm pretty sure the Scabbard is a windlass. I'm peeved and messaged the seller. I Love the handling though! It's so crisp and sweet to hold, and that cant to the grip makes it so much fun to swivel the wrist with. Dammit. |
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jan 5, 2019 18:33:44 GMT
Scratch that, three places, right in the middle of the blade too.
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Post by pgandy on Jan 5, 2019 20:54:48 GMT
Sorry for your disappointment.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jan 6, 2019 1:18:23 GMT
Sorry for your disappointment. It's such a sweet sword. So easy to manipulate with the wrist and make snappy quick cuts with. But the bend in forte scares me too much. It'll take a huge amount of force to straighten, and I had planned on making a new grip wrap and turning it into a restored cutter and drill piece. |
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jan 6, 2019 1:18:59 GMT
The windlass feels like moving a sword in butter comparatively.
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Post by Dave Kelly on Jan 6, 2019 14:35:53 GMT
The windlass feels like moving a sword in butter comparatively. If the condition was not described or illustrated you have a grievence. ebay will see you can return it. If the price is too good to be true.... ( Not a boast. I've been suckered: more than once.) |
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jan 6, 2019 16:48:23 GMT
The windlass feels like moving a sword in butter comparatively. If the condition was not described or illustrated you have a grievence. ebay will see you can return it. If the price is too good to be true.... ( Not a boast. I've been suckered: more than once.) Yeah, the seller already sent me a full refund and it's packaged up. He was pretty nice about it so that's good, but I still don't get how someone wouldn't disclose issues like that. I pulled the Scabbard out first and thought "ah, crap". |
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Post by Dave Kelly on Jan 6, 2019 18:00:30 GMT
Some sellers don't know.
Bought a Napoleonic Dragoon pallasche from an old dealer in Chicago. Took delivery and took about 15 secs to confirm it was a Weaponedge repro that had been weathered a bit.
Ole man was shocked. Took it right back. I let him keep the money and paid off the balance on a consular Officer hussar sabre.
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Post by shifterkart26 on Jan 15, 2019 4:09:25 GMT
Greetings all,
I have a Civil War era sword that looks like the 1822 French Officers model pictured earlier in this thread. It has French script on the top of the blade and 2 rings on the scabbard (unlike the 1 ring on the above photo). The scabbard has light surface rust on it. Would it hurt the value if I polished the scabbard and does anyone have any idea of its value? Thanks
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Post by elbrittania39 on Jan 15, 2019 4:16:55 GMT
Greetings all, I have a Civil War era sword that looks like the 1822 French Officers model pictured earlier in this thread. It has French script on the top of the blade and 2 rings on the scabbard (unlike the 1 ring on the above photo). The scabbard has light surface rust on it. Would it hurt the value if I polished the scabbard and does anyone have any idea of its value? Thanks Value depends entirely on condition and correct identification, but if you have the original scabbard that helps a lot. As far as polishing goes, different buyers want different thing. I for one would prefer to buy a well cleaned sword than a grimy one, but some people want their steel untouched. In any case, first identify if the rust is active. If its red, it is active and can spread over time. If it's black, it is inactive and not going to spread further. Second, make sure you know what you're doing. There is no worse feeling than working on an antique sword and realizing you just created a whole new problem. Ultimately, rust removal is your call, but personally I'd recommend cleaning red rust carefully, slowly increasing the amount of chemicals and abrasion to see what it responds to. And if it's black rust, I'd leave it be. |
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Post by Dave Kelly on Jan 15, 2019 7:44:00 GMT
Greetings all, I have a Civil War era sword that looks like the 1822 French Officers model pictured earlier in this thread. It has French script on the top of the blade and 2 rings on the scabbard (unlike the 1 ring on the above photo). The scabbard has light surface rust on it. Would it hurt the value if I polished the scabbard and does anyone have any idea of its value? Thanks Half a dozen pics to show off the attributes of your saber would go a long way to assisting you. Without pics I can't tell you poo about what you have. If there is french script for Klingenthal of Chattelrault it IS french. Solingen and Ames among others copied the French 1822 with various results. Field brining of iron scabbards was a common practice in the Civil War and many CW collectors don't want a clean saber out of character. If you intend resale stabalize rust on the scabbard, but leave it alone. Civil War and different period national blades have varying returns. |
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Post by shifterkart26 on Jan 17, 2019 3:55:52 GMT
elbrittania39 and Dave Kelly, This is the best I could do with the photos that you requested. The other photo files are too large for this site. If you send me an email at jcp1031@netscape.net I could send large format photos that have a lot more detail. Thank you for your help! |
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jan 17, 2019 4:04:07 GMT
Yeah, it's a Frenchy.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jan 17, 2019 4:06:13 GMT
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Post by shifterkart26 on Jan 17, 2019 4:21:02 GMT
Were these used in the Civil War? |
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jan 17, 2019 4:24:19 GMT
Were this used in the Civil War? I would wager that your sword was not used by an American officer at all, and not in the civil war. These swords (French 1822 officers) are very common to find, and nearly just as common to see attributed as American swords because we copied the French hilts and blade style for our 1840-1860 cav weapons. It also has French poincons and was made by a facility for government weapons. |
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Post by shifterkart26 on Jan 17, 2019 4:29:31 GMT
"I would wager that your sword was not used by an American officer at all, and not in the civil war. These swords (French 1822 officers) are very common to find, and nearly just as common to see attributed as American swords because we copied the French hilts and blade style for our 1840-1860 cav weapons. It also has French poincons and was made by a facility for government weapons."
Interesting, I wonder how it ended up in NW Indiana? Thank you for your help!
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Post by wlewisiii on Jan 17, 2019 4:50:32 GMT
"I would wager that your sword was not used by an American officer at all, and not in the civil war. These swords (French 1822 officers) are very common to find, and nearly just as common to see attributed as American swords because we copied the French hilts and blade style for our 1840-1860 cav weapons. It also has French poincons and was made by a facility for government weapons." Interesting, I wonder how it ended up in NW Indiana? Thank you for your help! Brought home by a GI after the war for a first guess. A tourist who hunted fon antiques for a second. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 20:19:39 GMT
There are plenty of sales as well to explain European swords in the US. Provenance is everything, as far as placing a sword in time and place. I have a "wristbreaker" I could easily argue to be ACW period and use, as it is entirely unmarked. I could claim it Confederate use just as easily. The reality is that I list it as a German made French model 1822. It may have been made as late as the 20th century.   My French mle1854 standing next to my sabre was made during the ACW years and I could similarly spin a yarn as to what its life might tell but I just list it as what I can deduce. Speaking of Clemen&Jung  Here is one for Jordan. That ls a treasure hunt hint, selling mid three figure from an accredited seller (not on eBay)  |
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Here is one for Jordan. That ls a treasure hunt hint, selling mid three figure from an accredited seller (not on eBay) 
