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Post by Ifrit on Dec 15, 2016 22:00:21 GMT
I've never used a hand gun but I would still take almost any hand gun over a sword if I'm being attacked. Even if I couldn't shoot from a distance, it's not like bullets can't kill someone from point blank. Not to mention that guns are made of metal so it could probably used to block a sword. Not the most ideal shield but I would take an empty gun against a blade coming at me then nothing at all, so it's still an advantage
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Post by stopped1 on Dec 16, 2016 1:21:40 GMT
I am ni-dan in both kendo and iaido plus expert grade in PPC (translation: I work hard enough to be understand how to use guns and swords but nowhere near being a master)
I pick a pistol any day. When It runs, you still have a 1kg block of steel as impact weapon (pls, use the muzzle, not pistol whip with the grip with semi autos). Pistol also have low rate of breakage per strike (you can shoot 6000 rounds out with no breakage, but chances are a blade will need repair after cutting down 50 enemies).
For person with no experience in both, sword. Reasonably trained, pistol Masters, take your pick
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Post by legacyofthesword on Dec 16, 2016 1:35:44 GMT
It's very difficult to block a sword with any small object. Even when using two sai against a weaker opponent armed with a sword (sparring; my life is nowhere near that interesting) I'm always forced on the defensive. If I'm fighting an equal opponent I invariably lose (or end up with mutual kill), because it's so hard to block sword blows with short weapons. I doubt an empty gun would do much when used to defend against a sword. I'd think it'd certainly be better than nothing though.
But really, there's a reason no one uses swords anymore. It's never a question of "when is a sword better than a gun" but "in what extremely specific circumstance could a sword possibly work as well as a gun". I think I'd still prefer a blade in a grapple, but if I had a pistol in the first place the fight would probably never get to the grapple stage.
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Post by bluetrain on Dec 16, 2016 21:29:31 GMT
While it is rare to hear about anyone using a sword in a fight, there are still plenty of people who show up in emergency rooms with knife wounds. So they are hardly obsolete, merely inconvenient. Swords generally ceased to be carried while on foot at the beginning of WWI and not much later on horseback. But knives are still considered nice to have in a fight.
The Japanese were the exceptions, of course. Officers and warrant officers continued to carry and use swords in combat until the bitter end.
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Post by howler on Dec 17, 2016 0:17:52 GMT
While it is rare to hear about anyone using a sword in a fight, there are still plenty of people who show up in emergency rooms with knife wounds. So they are hardly obsolete, merely inconvenient. Swords generally ceased to be carried while on foot at the beginning of WWI and not much later on horseback. But knives are still considered nice to have in a fight. The Japanese were the exceptions, of course. Officers and warrant officers continued to carry and use swords in combat until the bitter end. And lets not forget Sword canes and large bowie are concealable and can be used as (short) swords, as these two options are the only viable way to utilize a sword in the 21st century. Imagine carrying a 3lb., 4' long heavy rapier (with offhand dagger), longsword, katana, one hand cut and thrust type, etc...on your belt at the local coffeehouse .
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Post by Ifrit on Dec 17, 2016 2:09:37 GMT
While it is rare to hear about anyone using a sword in a fight, there are still plenty of people who show up in emergency rooms with knife wounds. So they are hardly obsolete, merely inconvenient. Swords generally ceased to be carried while on foot at the beginning of WWI and not much later on horseback. But knives are still considered nice to have in a fight. The Japanese were the exceptions, of course. Officers and warrant officers continued to carry and use swords in combat until the bitter end. And lets not forget Sword canes and large bowie are concealable and can be used as (short) swords, as these two options are the only viable way to utilize a sword in the 21st century. Imagine carrying a 3lb., 4' long heavy rapier (with offhand dagger), longsword, katana, one hand cut and thrust type, etc...on your belt at the local coffeehouse . Unless you dress extremely odd or are an old guy, a cane would look so out of place and suspicious. I agree about the Bowie. I also carry my HD kukri in my bag and can also carry it under my jacket if I want. I used to carry my kukri machete in a back pack too. I only carry my karambit and ti-lite these days tho
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Post by howler on Dec 17, 2016 8:06:45 GMT
And lets not forget Sword canes and large bowie are concealable and can be used as (short) swords, as these two options are the only viable way to utilize a sword in the 21st century. Imagine carrying a 3lb., 4' long heavy rapier (with offhand dagger), longsword, katana, one hand cut and thrust type, etc...on your belt at the local coffeehouse . Unless you dress extremely odd or are an old guy, a cane would look so out of place and suspicious. I agree about the Bowie. I also carry my HD kukri in my bag and can also carry it under my jacket if I want. I used to carry my kukri machete in a back pack too. I only carry my karambit and ti-lite these days tho I'm middle aged (though others on this board could qualify , so not quite there yet...but with a fake limp (shot saving an entire grade school of children...story for the ladies) I just might be able to pull it off. HD kukri would/could be considered a short sword due to the weight, therefore damage it could inflict.
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Post by Ifrit on Dec 17, 2016 8:33:29 GMT
That's actually not a bad idea at all. Fake a limp
I also toyed with the idea of a sword umbrella. It was gonna be my next project
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Dec 17, 2016 14:33:53 GMT
A sword and shield umbrella is an interesting idea!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2016 16:01:14 GMT
The only advantage I can think of would be how cool it would be to die with a sword in your hand.
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Post by Ifrit on Dec 17, 2016 16:08:54 GMT
A sword and shield umbrella is an interesting idea! That's not a bad idea either. Though I was thinking a regular umbrella would be a great way to conceal that you have a sword in your hand right up until you attack with it. Or even just to obscure your point of attack. Imagine one dude pulling a knife on another and the other dude just opening and spinning his umbrella as the other guy attacks with his knife only to impale himself on the sword
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Post by pgandy on Dec 17, 2016 18:33:41 GMT
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Post by howler on Dec 17, 2016 20:04:27 GMT
That's actually not a bad idea at all. Fake a limp I also toyed with the idea of a sword umbrella. It was gonna be my next project With umbrella, you'll only get the tip, but that's a lot, and you don't have to pull it out of a metal tub like the sword cane (though that tube now gives you an offhand club to go with the sword). I own a CS heavy duty sword cane. Faking an injury while wielding it in a high risk area would be the plan.
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Post by howler on Dec 17, 2016 20:09:47 GMT
The only advantage I can think of would be how cool it would be to die with a sword in your hand. Yeah, ask the guy Indiana Jones dropped in Raiders Of The Lost Ark. Never bring a knife to a gun fight (at least distance wise).
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Dec 17, 2016 20:11:21 GMT
Our bavarian Oktoberfest guards know this trick, howler, really! But an umbrella sword cane with a tough shield material...
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Post by pgandy on Dec 17, 2016 21:26:58 GMT
I have an umbrella sword as well as sword canes and have confidence in both.
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Post by Ifrit on Dec 17, 2016 22:47:09 GMT
I have an umbrella sword as well as sword canes and have confidence in both. Where did you get the umbrella sword ? Anyone know if they would be illegal in Canada? I mean. I don't think it's the same thing as a cane sword
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Post by pgandy on Dec 17, 2016 22:58:36 GMT
I have an umbrella sword as well as sword canes and have confidence in both. Where did you get the umbrella sword ? Anyone know if they would be illegal in Canada? I mean. I don't think it's the same thing as a cane sword Sorry, I’ve had it so long I cannot remember the vendor. It is by Windlass and I suspect discontinued.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Dec 17, 2016 23:10:15 GMT
Wow, that's an umbrella I really like, Mr. Steed!
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Post by Timo Nieminen on Dec 18, 2016 1:58:28 GMT
I have an umbrella sword as well as sword canes and have confidence in both. Where did you get the umbrella sword ? Anyone know if they would be illegal in Canada? I mean. I don't think it's the same thing as a cane sword At first glance, disguised blades are only illegal if the item is shorter than 30cm. Which would make umbrella-swords legal in Canada (and sword canes). Don't know if there are Province-level prohibitions. laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-462/FullText.html
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